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10-23-2012, 07:37 PM
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how is the NHL letting owners and GMs (if they want to) talk to their players a negative thing? Walsh seems to think they should be ashamed but i can't figure out why.

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how is the NHL letting owners and GMs (if they want to) talk to their players a negative thing? Walsh seems to think they should be ashamed but i can't figure out why.
GMs are generally more knowledgeable about financial matters, and frequently have the trust of many players. Player interaction with GMs will likely make them more willing to compromise because of that and because it forces players to start to open their eyes to all the other people they're harming (the staffs of every NHL team who face or potentially face the loss of their usually low paying jobs).

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how is the NHL letting owners and GMs (if they want to) talk to their players a negative thing? Walsh seems to think they should be ashamed but i can't figure out why.
We'll never know why, because Walsh lives in his own world complete with a pink sky, pretty ponies, rivers made of chocolate, rainbows with pots of gold, and a belief that he is always right. This is a guy who will muck up negotiations between his clients and their teams based on his ego. Dude probably thinks it's him against the NHL, and he gets that tingling feeling below the belt by tweeting about it.

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GMs are generally more knowledgeable about financial matters, and frequently have the trust of many players. Player interaction with GMs will likely make them more willing to compromise because of that and because it forces players to start to open their eyes to all the other people they're harming (the staffs of every NHL team who face or potentially face the loss of their usually low paying jobs).
Bingo. And Walsh ( a Fehr clone )doesn't want the sheep to know what's really going on, therefore he's crying foul. Honestly, I think the players not being filled in completely about that bogus 3rd proposal should have been enough to say, "Hey, why didn't he tell us that before we went acting like fools on twitter? Is he being totally honest with us?"

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well, yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how Walsh has the balls to even attempt to make it sound negative.

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10-23-2012, 08:16 PM
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well, yeah. I'm just trying to figure out how Walsh has the balls to even attempt to make it sound negative.
1. He doesn't have them....at all.
2. It's just Walsh being Walsh.

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10-23-2012, 08:39 PM
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After executive board call, the NHLPA has requested a meeting with the NHL for tomorrow.
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The NHLPA has asked for a meeting tomorrow or anytime. NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in an email he didn't anticipate on happening.
http://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/statu...17721582166016

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My honest thought on Walsh.


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Bill Daly says the union has expressed a willingness to meet but isn't going to table a proposal: "What would we be meeting about?"
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Just told from a high up NHL source that no CBA meetings are scheduled, and the source doubts any will take place this week. #ruhroh
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inb4 both sides blame each other.

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The #NHLPA has informed the #NHL they are willing to meet Wed or any other date, but without preconditions.
Well look at that. NOW who is pulling a PR stunt? "Oh we're willing to meet whenever you want to, but with no new proposals or any real agendas." So the NHL turns them down and guess who suddenly looks like the victim?

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So, nothing will happen tomorrow.

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Found this on the main thread.


Excerpt from Washinton Times Blog
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Various reports surfaced Tuesday night that the NHL Players' Association requested a meeting with the league Wednesday or at any point this week. But NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in an email that there was still no such meeting scheduled.

"The Union made clear to us that they were not interested in the proposal we made to them last Tuesday," Daly wrote. "They also indicated that they weren't prepared to make a new proposal. I'm not sure what we would be meeting about."
The red flag should have been the NHLPA saying that they were willing to meet Wednesday or anytime. The word "anytime" or "whenever".....the open-ended, no urgency part in that makes it sound like BS.

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Shortest burst of lockout optimism on record. Well done, guys!
http://twitter.com/jessespector/stat...22139559989248

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10-23-2012, 09:02 PM
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How stupid do both sides think we are. Don't they know that we can recognize damage control when we see it.

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When asked if the CBA negotiation is about to go into a deep freeze, B. Daly said "I suspect so. Back to the drawing board. Unfortunate."
http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/stat...26329111855104
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The union has offered to meet, but, unless PA is willing to work off NHL's offer, Daly says there's no reason to meet.
http://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/stat...26623027691521

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Daly has been doing a masterful job at deflecting NHLPA PR stunts.

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Its all become pretty laughable at this point.

I don't know about the rest of you guys but my favorite part about all of this is watching the middling, 3rd-4th line and bottom pairing, players having no real idea about how much damage this is doing to their profession (and for most of them, it will be their only real profession because judging by their comments; they're not fit for most any other half-decent paying job). Not only are they missing out on what will be an entire years worth of salary (and subsequently watching many of the kids, who are playing, develop and push for their jobs whenever they do begin to actually play) but they're going to be the ones truly effected to whatever sort of agreement they come to. Especially if the owners are on the hook for all existing contracts (which they should be). Those high end players were always going to get paid; pre or post lockout. All this means is much less of the piece of the pie for the rest of them. Both in terms of salary and stability in the sense of term on their contract.

Which, all in all, is surprising because that's the bulk of their membership. You'd think one or two of them would notice this by now...

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I expect a new round of tweets from the players on this one. "We tried, but the other side is not willing to negotiate. If they were serious about getting this done, we'd be playing right now. They're treating us like animals! If they don't want to meet, there is nothing we can do."

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Told by an NHL player that the NHLPA wanted to meet with the NHL tomorrow to "Keep Open Dialogue."
Great. I get that. But it doesn't hold much water when you didn't want to open up the lines of communication much earlier like you should have.

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Its all become pretty laughable at this point.

I don't know about the rest of you guys but my favorite part about all of this is watching the middling, 3rd-4th line and bottom pairing, players having no real idea about how much damage this is doing to their profession (and for most of them, it will be their only real profession because judging by their comments; they're not fit for most any other half-decent paying job). Not only are they missing out on what will be an entire years worth of salary (and subsequently watching many of the kids, who are playing, develop and push for their jobs whenever they do begin to actually play) but they're going to be the ones truly effected to whatever sort of agreement they come to. Especially if the owners are on the hook for all existing contracts (which they should be). Those high end players were always going to get paid; pre or post lockout. All this means is much less of the piece of the pie for the rest of them. Both in terms of salary and stability in the sense of term on their contract.

Which, all in all, is surprising because that's the bulk of their membership. You'd think one or two of them would notice this by now...
i've said this same thing before. I'm surprised there isn't a mutiny. Powe should know better, for godsake. and Parros. some of these guys will be assistant coaches at prep schools this time next year.

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10-23-2012, 09:41 PM
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There probably are some concerned players like Powe and Parros.............and each and every one of them are roped and duct taped in the basement of Parise's, Suter's, Kovie's, and Weber's mansions.

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10-23-2012, 09:42 PM
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we're willing to talk to them any time. about junk 'n stuff. you know, things. i mean, if they want to ignore the numbers and just agree to one of our proposals then we can talk hockey, but otherwise why not just sit and glare across the table from one another and tweet vitriol.

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