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10-23-2012, 08:35 PM
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Peter Regin.
The last time we sent a talented two-way player with injury issues to Vancouver it was Salo. I don't want a repeat.

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10-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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Rangers wouldn't do that deal.

Boyle is too important for them to deal, especially for Raymond. They would be downgrading from a position where they don't have much depth to add to a strength.

They are better off with Richards-Stepan-Boyle and a top six of Nash, Gaborik, Richards, Stepan, Callahan, Kreider/Hagelin. Their wingers are fine right now, no need for them to add there.

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10-23-2012, 08:42 PM
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not nearly enough for Mason Raymond. Colorado would have to add at least one first round pick.
You kidding, that's enough to get raymond for sure

Mabye Bolland and Bollig from Chicago for Raymond

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10-23-2012, 08:45 PM
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You kidding, that's enough to get raymond for sure

Mabye Bolland and Bollig from Chicago for Raymond
Bolland has way more trade value then Raymond.

This doesn't take into concern at all Chicagos needs. They need a 2C, and they certainly can't afford to trade Bolland for a winger, they already have Hossa, Sharp, Kane, Stalberg in their top six.

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10-23-2012, 08:51 PM
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Rangers send Boyle and Zuccarello for Raymond
Done and Done.

Is this the fastest a thread on HFBoards has been settled?

(Without a flame war)

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10-23-2012, 08:54 PM
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You kidding, that's enough to get raymond for sure

Mabye Bolland and Bollig from Chicago for Raymond
It was meant as a joke. Raymond is HF's whipping boy these days, he's pretty underrated now, but that someone even offered Boyle is surprising, to say the least.

But most probably I'd keep him as a reclamation project over most offers. O'Reilly, Bolland, and even Boyle would be pipe dreams at this point.

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10-23-2012, 09:05 PM
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I hope you realize Zuccarello plays in the KHL now. Pretty funny how all the Canucks fans jumped on the offer, though.
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I wouldn't care if Zuccarello played on Mars.
Agreed. Raymond for Boyle and a chance of another winger? Deal. I know I'm overrating Boyle a little, but he is...wait someone else worded it already:

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Boyle is exactly what the Canucks need

Raymond is also a lot better than people think. He's amazing on the PK, he's just frustrating in the offensive zone at times
Yup...I just don't see him (Raymond) here long term is all.

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Zuccarello was apart of the deal?
I stopped reading after Boyle the first time.

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Rangers wouldn't do that deal.

Boyle is too important for them to deal, especially for Raymond. They would be downgrading from a position where they don't have much depth to add to a strength.

They are better off with Richards-Stepan-Boyle and a top six of Nash, Gaborik, Richards, Stepan, Callahan, Kreider/Hagelin. Their wingers are fine right now, no need for them to add there.
Too late, no backsies.

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10-23-2012, 09:08 PM
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With Hagelin, Gaborik, Kreider, and Raymond, the Rangers would have an insanely fast set of wingers. Don't think the NYR can afford to deal a C now though. Who steps on behind Richards and Stepan?
Kreider can player center actually.

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10-23-2012, 09:10 PM
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The last time we sent a talented two-way player with injury issues to Vancouver it was Salo. I don't want a repeat.
Well he basically continued to be a talented two-way player but the damn injuries never stopped... ever... even in multiple offseasons...

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10-23-2012, 09:19 PM
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Too late, no backsies.
Why? Because not a single Rangers fan or non-Canucks fans actually dismissed the deal? I'm a Devils fans and it's quite obvious the Rangers lose that deal when you look at their needs.

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Kreider can player center actually.
They'd be stupid to rush him into playing center. They are best off having him play wing, he's only played 10? 12? NHL games so far and he was arguably a lot fresher than most NHL players. To rely on him to play center for 82 games, would be pretty tough.

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10-23-2012, 09:28 PM
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Why? Because not a single Rangers fan or non-Canucks fans actually dismissed the deal? I'm a Devils fans and it's quite obvious the Rangers lose that deal when you look at their needs.
No argument there friend, but it was a Ranger fan that offered it, even if it was in jest.

Although New Jersey has a few bottom six players I wouldn't mind getting a better look at, didn't come to make a bid yourself did you

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No argument there friend, but it was a Ranger fan that offered it, even if it was in jest.

Although New Jersey has a few bottom six players I wouldn't mind getting a better look at, didn't come to make a bid yourself did you
Yeah, one Ranger fan....so he all the sudden speaks collectively for all the Ranger fans?

Devils are in no position to trade away a forward.

No point in me making a deal, because it wouldn't make sense on my team's end. Devils can really only part with D prospects and Tallinder or Volchenkov. Anyone else either won't be traded, has a NTC/NMC, or we can afford to get rid of them.

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I wouldn't mind the deal, if the rangers could get a better 3C

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I've always felt Raymond could do well in San Jose filling the void left by Setoguchi when he was traded.

Mason Raymond, 2.275m UFA next year
Michal Handzus, 2.5m UFA next year

Anton Rodin could be added
for any one of Pelech, Doherty, Demers, Abeltshauser or Petrecki

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I've always felt Raymond could do well in San Jose filling the void left by Setoguchi when he was traded.

Mason Raymond, 2.275m UFA next year
Michal Handzus, 2.5m UFA next year

Anton Rodin could be added
for any one of Pelech, Doherty, Demers, Abeltshauser or Petrecki
Uggh, no way. Handzus is a shadow of his former self. His fall from grace has been as bad, if not worse, than Malhotra's.

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I've always felt Raymond could do well in San Jose filling the void left by Setoguchi when he was traded.

Mason Raymond, 2.275m UFA next year
Michal Handzus, 2.5m UFA next year

Anton Rodin could be added
for any one of Pelech, Doherty, Demers, Abeltshauser or Petrecki
Do not want. Would play Lapierre or Manny at #3 C before I put Handzus there.

Raymond is a valuable 2nd/3rd line tweener. Vancouver has too many of them, but adding Handzus just gives the team 3 #4Cs that at rare times are capable of a #3 role.

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Peter Regin.
I'd consider it, but he doesn't seem very durable.

I'd say we wait til January and see if he can stay healthy before we make that deal.

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Mason Raymond for Adbelakder.

Helps both teams IMO. Abby gives 100% every night, finishes checks, sticks up for teammates (albeit - loses 9/10 times) and is good on the PK.

With Jarkrok, Sheahan, and Anderson all natural centers and likely knocking on the door soon if a head has to roll Id like it to be Abs. his could also permit the return to a 3 scoring lines + 1 shut-down line that we had in the until 09/10 when Huds, Sammy, and Hossa all left in the summer.

Franzen Datsyuk Nyquist
Bertuzzi Zetterberg Brunner
Raymond Filpula Cleary
Miller Helm Tootoo

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I'd consider it, but he doesn't seem very durable.

I'd say we wait til January and see if he can stay healthy before we make that deal.
Add a pick or something to Regin and we are closer. What value Raymond does have, Regin only come close but not full worth.

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Pass. He should be able to provide some scoring for our bottom 6. And until someone beats the Boyle offer, Raymond is a Ranger.
Says who? Do you have the abilities to consumate that trade officially in the NHL, or is this all make believe again, with gum drops and lollypops?

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So...New York Rangers wins the thread?

Not huge on Zuccarello, but Boyle matches what we want to a T. Sold. Get Sather, I'll get Gillis, meet under the big tree in Edmonton after the lock out ends.
Boyle matches what the rangers need to a T, too
It's why there is no way we're dealing him for a winger, as much as many people here want to get rid of him.

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10-23-2012, 11:17 PM
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Says who? Do you have the abilities to consumate that trade officially in the NHL, or is this all make believe again, with gum drops and lollypops?
Does the turn of phrase I used really bother you that much?

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Kreider can player center actually.
He's played wing basically his entire career and has very little experience on faceoffs. Plus, we kind of need him on LW unless Hagelin suddenly grows a new set of hands.

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He's played wing basically his entire career and has very little experience on faceoffs. Plus, we kind of need him on LW unless Hagelin suddenly grows a new set of hands.
Isn't that what Raymond would be?

BTW, just to be clear, if I were the Rangers, I wouldn't make that trade.

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Does the turn of phrase I used really bother you that much?
No, but your sense of reality is quite troubling and disturbing.

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