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10-23-2012, 10:19 PM
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Wait im confused... You hate the pa for trying to schedule a meeting with the NHL?
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Bill Daly says the union has expressed a willingness to meet but isn't going to table a proposal: "What would we be meeting about?"

so now they aren't building off any previous offers

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aren't proposing a new one.


why even bother meeting?

they've done nothing but stall and pander the media. That's why I hate them.

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10-23-2012, 10:21 PM
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give me a break.

both sides are ****ing the fans over.

niether side has shown any indication they are willing to move off their latest proposal.

sorry, I am not buying the owners are smelling like roses and the players are nothing but greedy ******** stance. its crap.


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10-23-2012, 10:23 PM
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Michael Grange ‏@michaelgrange
The #NHLPA has informed the #NHL they are willing to meet Wed or any other date, but without preconditions.

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Bill Daly says the union has expressed a willingness to meet but isn't going to table a proposal: "What would we be meeting about?"

so now they aren't building off any previous offers

and

aren't proposing a new one.


why even bother meeting?

they've done nothing but stall and pander the media. That's why I hate them.
I edited my last post but they seem to want to bridge the gap. Seems like the NHLs main focus is a do or die on their last proposal. I dont see how that is negotiation. Trust me i want fehr out but the nhl's "choose ours or nothing" is kind of bs.

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I edited my last post but they seem to want to bridge the gap. Seems like the NHLs main focus is a do or die on their last proposal. I dont see how that is negotiation. Trust me i want fehr out but the nhl's "choose ours or nothing" is kind of bs.
They say they want to bridge the gap and the owners have said they are very willing to negotiate terms of their last offer but the players don't want to offer a linked cap and aren't going to present a new offer. They are not negotiating

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10-23-2012, 10:33 PM
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They say they want to bridge the gap and the owners have said they are very willing to negotiate terms of their last offer but the players don't want to offer a linked cap and aren't going to present a new offer. They are not negotiating
The last time they presented a new offer it was shot down in 10 minutes.... Thats gotta be sonewhat discouraging when they almost skim your offer and decline it. One of the main problems from what i read is that the NHL doesnt want to honor the contracts they have set. How is that fair to the players.

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Also whats the harm in meeting anyway? Like what negative effect does it have? If anything there is a higher probability thats something good comes out.

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10-23-2012, 10:37 PM
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The last time they presented a new offer it was shot down in 10 minutes.... Thats gotta be sonewhat discouraging when they almost skim your offer and decline it. One of the main problems from what i read is that the NHL doesnt want to honor the contracts they have set. How is that fair to the players.
The make whole provision is a pretty reasonable starting point to bridge that gap, the players decided they wanted nothing to do with that. They didn't offer anything they simply made 2 offers that weren't 50-50 until the last year and another one so ridiculous they didn't even bother to formally submit it.

I'm also kind of annoyed with the players paying players argument, that money was always going to come out of the players share.

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The last time they presented a new offer it was shot down in 10 minutes.... Thats gotta be sonewhat discouraging when they almost skim your offer and decline it. One of the main problems from what i read is that the NHL doesnt want to honor the contracts they have set. How is that fair to the players.
It was shot down because the whole "make whole" proposal has the players still getting more than 50% of the split until the contracts under the old CBA run out

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Also whats the harm in meeting anyway? Like what negative effect does it have? If anything there is a higher probability thats something good comes out.
Why bother wasting the day meeting instead of making up a new proposal?

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It was shot down because the whole "make whole" proposal has the players still getting more than 50% of the split until the contracts under the old CBA run out
the NHLPA have said they are willing to get to the 50/50 split if the owners are willing to honor the contracts. A stance the owners dont want to go to.

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the NHLPA have said they are willing to get to the 50/50 split if the owners are willing to honor the contracts. A stance the owners dont want to go to.
They are willing to get there of course if they get the money they are making now PLUS raises each year.. It will never be 50/50 until the last contract signed under the previous CBA is expired. We are going to be waiting awhile for that to happen.

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If they owners don't want to pay those contracts, maybe they shouldn't have offered them.

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No one was forcing the players to sign them.

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10-23-2012, 10:48 PM
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the NHLPA have said they are willing to get to the 50/50 split if the owners are willing to honor the contracts. A stance the owners dont want to go to.
It's not really 50/50 if the owners have to pay anything about 50% out of their share...

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No one was forcing the players to sign them.
Seriously? So...the owners try to pay for something they apparently can't afford, and that's the players fault? That's not how the world works.

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Seriously? So...the owners try to pay for something they apparently can't afford, and that's the players fault? That's not how the world works.
The way the players are panding to the media, they knew that the owners could not afford them. So they are also a reason why the league is in this mess.

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And the owners would still be honoring the contracts with a roll back. There's a clause in the contracts that says they could be affected by terms of new CBAs.

The players agreed to it.

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The way the players are panding to the media, they knew that the owners could not afford them. So they are also a reason why the league is in this mess.
Again, the owners make the contracts, not the players. The players don't decide what the owners pay them. They just agree to what they're offered. In no way, shape, or form is it the players' fault the owners overstretched themselves. They're just supposed to turn down millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts because their poor boss is apparently **** with money?

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Again, the owners make the contracts, not the players. The players don't decide what the owners pay them. They just agree to what they're offered. In no way, shape, or form is it the players' fault the owners overstretched themselves. They're just supposed to turn down millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts because their poor boss is apparently **** with money?
When you are busy whining about the owners need help in the forum of revenue sharing to continue conducting business, yes.

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Again, the owners make the contracts, not the players. The players don't decide what the owners pay them. They just agree to what they're offered. In no way, shape, or form is it the players' fault the owners overstretched themselves. They're just supposed to turn down millions of dollars out of the kindness of their hearts because their poor boss is apparently **** with money?
It'd be pretty naive to think that players/agents weren't pushing to get extensions signed under the old CBA

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No one was forcing the players to sign them.
That's one of the worst arguments I've ever seen.

Hey here's 100 million

Nope I'm not signing that.

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When you are busy whining about the owners need help in the forum of revenue sharing to continue conducting business, yes.
Uh...why?

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It'd be pretty naive to think that players/agents weren't pushing to get extensions signed under the old CBA
Not sure how that's relevant, and of course they did. They knew contracts would be different (in a way not advantageous to them), so why not sign under the better CBA? The owners were happy to oblige them.

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Uh...why?
Now on top of those contracts, the owners have to give more in revenue sharing.

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Not sure how that's relevant, and of course they did. They knew contracts would be different (in a way not advantageous to them), so why not sign under the better CBA? The owners were happy to oblige them.
So the players are being greedy?

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