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View Poll Results: Should we hire John Davidson?
Sure, what the hell. 69 92.00%
No, and I'll explain my "no" in a long-winded post. 0 0%
It's too soon in the season to be making any moves. 1 1.33%
I'm an idiot. 5 6.67%
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10-23-2012, 10:41 PM
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So if Howson wanted to trade a player/pick,acquire a player, or sign a player and Davidson disapproves, Howson can't make a move? If Davidson wants to trade a player,acquire a player, sign a player that Howson doesn't want, he has no choice but to listen to Davidson?

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10-23-2012, 10:51 PM
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So if Howson wanted to trade a player/pick,acquire a player, or sign a player and Davidson disapproves, Howson can't make a move? If Davidson wants to trade a player,acquire a player, sign a player that Howson doesn't want, he has no choice but to listen to Davidson?
Howson will become JD's puppet!

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So if Howson wanted to trade a player/pick,acquire a player, or sign a player and Davidson disapproves, Howson can't make a move? If Davidson wants to trade a player,acquire a player, sign a player that Howson doesn't want, he has no choice but to listen to Davidson?
No one knows these particulars yet but this I can tell you....

Davidson will have entire hockey control and the NHL experience to back it up!.

Let’s face it, Howson should never have been hired to manage a hockey team, he is good with numbers but clueless about managing a hockey team. If I was Davidson I would fire him day one!

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No one knows these particulars yet but this I can tell you....

Davidson will have entire hockey control and the NHL experience to back it up!.

Let’s face it, Howson should never have been hired to manage a hockey team, he is good with numbers but clueless about managing a hockey team. If I was Davidson I would fire him day one!
Nah. Make him fetch you coffee.

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Anyway... sarcasm aside... Hiring John Davidson is the first step to resurrect this debacle of an NHL organization..

Will it produce an NHL winner? I don't know but based on the fan support and an excellently run city in Columbus I would say the future is bright.... Columbus is a great and growing city, progressive and on the move… Support the CBJ, they might be the first professional team in O=H=I=O to win a championship..

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No one knows these particulars yet but this I can tell you....

Davidson will have entire hockey control and the NHL experience to back it up!.

Let’s face it, Howson should never have been hired to manage a hockey team, he is good with numbers but clueless about managing a hockey team. If I was Davidson I would fire him day one!
To defend the hiring, in his final years in Edmonton as a assistant, he was hyped up by the media(could have just been the Edmonton media). Some thought he would have been a good choice to take over Edmonton as the GM. Looking at it now, it's easy to say he shouldn't have been hired but when he was hired, I'm sure it looked like a good hiring.

So the Steve Mason era should be coming to a end right???

Also, if Howson were to get fired, who would you bring in as a new GM?

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To defend the hiring, in his final years in Edmonton as a assistant, he was hyped up by the media(could have just been the Edmonton media). Some thought he would have been a good choice to take over Edmonton as the GM. Looking at it now, it's easy to say he shouldn't have been hired but when he was hired, I'm sure it looked like a good hiring.

So the Steve Mason era should be coming to a end right???

Also, if Howson were to get fired, who would you bring in as a new GM?
To be honest, I don't have a replacement for GM in mind right now because there wasn't a reason for me to think of that until now... I will research it and get back to you.. but this I can tell you, Scott Howson needs to be fired.

Oh, a note to all of the people involved with CBJ volunteer work… I like what you are doing and support you but if the CBJ fold even you are out of a job… remember that.

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10-24-2012, 12:10 AM
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No one knows these particulars yet but this I can tell you....

Davidson will have entire hockey control and the NHL experience to back it up!.

Let’s face it, Howson should never have been hired to manage a hockey team, he is good with numbers but clueless about managing a hockey team. If I was Davidson I would fire him day one!
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To defend the hiring, in his final years in Edmonton as a assistant, he was hyped up by the media(could have just been the Edmonton media). Some thought he would have been a good choice to take over Edmonton as the GM. Looking at it now, it's easy to say he shouldn't have been hired but when he was hired, I'm sure it looked like a good hiring.

So the Steve Mason era should be coming to a end right???

Also, if Howson were to get fired, who would you bring in as a new GM?
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To be honest, I don't have a replacement for GM in mind right now because there wasn't a reason for me to think of that until now... I will research it and get back to you.. but this I can tell you, Scott Howson needs to be fired.

Oh, a note to all of the people involved with CBJ volunteer work… I like what you are doing and support you but if the CBJ fold even you are out of a job… remember that.
Edmonton, with Howson in the front office.
2000-01 - 93 points
2001-02 - 92 points
2002-03 - 92 points
2003-04 - 89 points
2005-06 - 95 points
2006-07 - 71 points
6-year average - 88.67 points

Edmonton, without Howson in the front office.
2007-08 - 88 points
2008-09 - 85 points
2009-10 - 62 points
2010-11 - 62 points
2011-12 - 74 points
5-year average - 74.2 points (-14.47 compared to with Howson)

Columbus, without Howson in the front office.
2000-01 - 71 points
2001-02 - 57 points
2002-03 - 69 points
2003-04 - 62 points
2005-06 - 74 points
2006-07 - 73 points
6-year average - 67.67 points

Columbus, with Howson in the front office.
2007-08 - 80 points
2008-09 - 92 points
2009-10 - 79 points
2010-11 - 81 points
2011-12 - 65 points
5-year average - 79.4 points (+11.73 compared to without Howson)


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10-24-2012, 12:52 AM
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Looks as if a protest or two works.... Priest is out Davidson is in... Within a year Howson will be gone too...

Let’s face it the CBJ needed a shakeup... here is the real good news.. This lockout is going to help the Blue Jackets. Johansen is playing first line in the minors and doing well as many others...

Good move by McConnell...
Um, Priest is still working for the CBJ, so no he's not out. Howson will still be here in a year.

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Edmonton, with Howson in the front office.
2000-01 - 93 points
2001-02 - 92 points
2002-03 - 92 points
2003-04 - 89 points
2005-06 - 95 points
2006-07 - 71 points
6-year average - 88.67 points

Edmonton, without Howson in the front office.
2007-08 - 88 points
2008-09 - 85 points
2009-10 - 62 points
2010-11 - 62 points
2011-12 - 74 points
5-year average - 74.2 points (-14.47 compared to with Howson)

Columbus, without Howson in the front office.
2000-01 - 71 points
2001-02 - 57 points
2002-03 - 69 points
2003-04 - 62 points
2005-06 - 74 points
2006-07 - 73 points
6-year average - 67.67 points

Columbus, with Howson in the front office.
2007-08 - 80 points
2008-09 - 92 points
2009-10 - 79 points
2010-11 - 81 points
2011-12 - 65 points
5-year average - 79.4 points (+11.73 compared to without Howson)
There you go with all the new fangled numbers to actually support facts.

On a serious note. Howson has built a decent young D-line. Now if we can get some forwards to actually score, we'd be in business.


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Support the CBJ, they might be the first professional team in O=H=I=O to win a championship..
I'm not even sure where to begin on this.

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There you go with all the new fangled numbers to actually support facts. If this was a political forum, you'd be called a racist for doing this.

On a serious note. Howson has built a decent young D-line. Now if we can get some forwards to actually score, we'd be in business.
CBJ top prospects when Howson took over, according to hockeysfuture.com:

1. Derick Brassard, C
2. Kris Russell, D
3. Alex Picard, LW
4. Adam Pineault, RW
5. Geoff Platt, C
6. Joakim Lindstrom, LW
7. Marc Methot, D
8. Steve Mason, G
9. Kirill Starkov, C
10. Tomas Popperle, G
11. Daniel Lacosta, G
12. Matt Marquardt, LW
13. Tommy Sestito, LW
14. Derek Dorsett, RW
15. Ben Wright, D
16. Philippe Dupuis, C
17. Jared Boll, RW
18. Trevor Hendrikx, D
19. Petr Pohl, RW

Under "graduated" was this murderers' row:
Gilbert Brule, C
Dan Fritsche, C
Aaron Johnson, D
Pascal Leclaire, G
Ole Kristian Tollefsen, D
Nikolai Zherdev, RW

Know who HF ranked as having the highest ceiling? LW Alex Picard, C Derick Brassard, RW Adam Pineault, D Kyle Wharton, D Andrei Plekhanov.

Eventually people are going to come around to the fact that on June 15, 2007, there was absolutely nothing in the pipeline. No All-Stars, no first-liners, and almost no one who was actually NHL-caliber. The initial build was an absolute disaster in every way, and it's not something that can simply be undone in one year, three years, or (depending on severity) even five years.

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Looks as if a protest or two works....
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Support the CBJ, they might be the first professional team in O=H=I=O to win a championship..
Hon, this is crazy. You know it is crazy. Why are you saying things that are crazy?

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And speaking of all that...

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You do appear to be the only ones who have chosen to make a crusade of it. Howson's a professional, the opinions here don't concern him nearly as much as they seem to concern you.
It comes up because we have far too many confirmation bias-obsessed folks here who somehow think that a fan protest is constructive and helpful and will go to any length possible to justify that madness.

Remember how we were discussing not so long ago that "fire Howson immediately" was not necessarily the wisest course of action if we pick up Davidson? Now, what has dominated talk w/r/t the now seemingly imminent Davidson hire for the last page and a half?

I want this town to be known in the hockey world for events like George and Bill at the R-Bar a few nights ago, not that kind of mishegaas. Thankfully, despite certain determined efforts, that seems to be increasingly the case.

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And speaking of all that...



It comes up because we have far too many confirmation bias-obsessed folks here who somehow think that a fan protest is constructive and helpful and will go to any length possible to justify that madness.

Remember how we were discussing not so long ago that "fire Howson immediately" was not necessarily the wisest course of action if we pick up Davidson? Now, what has dominated talk w/r/t the now seemingly imminent Davidson hire for the last page and a half?

I want this town to be known in the hockey world for events like George and Bill at the R-Bar a few nights ago, not that kind of mishegaas. Thankfully, despite certain determined efforts, that seems to be increasingly the case.
I can say that the game I attended last year(first one in like 5 years) I spent more time making fun of the "protesters" than actually watching the game. I understand the want to fire Howson, but the group I saw were just complete and utter idiots. Made me ashamed to be a jacket fan.

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And because I was bored and still can't sleep...

Cleveland Indians: World Series titles in 1920, 1948.
Cleveland Browns: NFL Champions in 1950, 1954, 1955, 1964. (Also four AAFC champsionships in a row from 1946-1949).
Cleveland Cavaliers; No NBA league titles.
Lake Erie Monsters: No AHL league titles.
Cleveland Gladiators: No AFL league titles.

Cincinnati Reds: World Series titles in 1919, 1940, 1975, 1976, 1990.
Cincinnati Bengals: No league titles.
Cincinnati Cyclones: ECHL champions in 2007-08, 2009-10.

Columbus Blue Jackets: No NHL league titles.
Columbus Crew: Hunt Open Cup champions in 2002. Supporter's Shield in 2004, 2008. 2009. MLS Championship in 2008.
Columbus Clippers: International League champions in 1979, 1980, 1981, 1987, 1991, 1992, 1996, 2010, and 2011.
Ohio Machine: No MLL league titles. (One year of existence, tho. )

Toledo Mud Hens: International League champions in 1968, 2005, and 2006.
Toledo Walleye: No ECHL league titles.

Akron Racers; National Pro Fastpitch champions in 2005.
Akron Aeros: Eastern (Baseball) League champions in 1984, 1985, 1986, 2003, 2005, 2009, and 2012.

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If he is hired, I hope that he can bring some proven, competent personnel with him to get this team finally headed in the right direction.

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He is a strong hockey man and has the background to turn the team around

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If he is hired, I hope that he can bring some proven, competent personnel with him to get this team finally headed in the right direction.
My hope is he charts the course first, then determines which folks are best fit to accomplish it. Who he fires and when are less important to me than why (or why not).

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Davidson isn't a magic bullet, but getting Mike Priest out of hockey ops alone is a positive step.

Davidson isn't going to be a micromanager, but he's going to have a hard job ahead of him with regards to fixing the hockey ops department from top to bottom.

I expect him to help re-energize the fan base in the short term. What he does with respect to GMs, scouts and the like will determine his long term success.

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Eventually people are going to come around to the fact that on June 15, 2007, there was absolutely nothing in the pipeline. No All-Stars, no first-liners, and almost no one who was actually NHL-caliber. The initial build was an absolute disaster in every way, and it's not something that can simply be undone in one year, three years, or (depending on severity) even five years.
Could have sworn we had that Nash guy.

So, I'd say we're in about the same boat on October 24, 2012.

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Could have sworn we had that Nash guy.

So, I'd say we're in about the same boat on October 24, 2012.
In fairness, I'd hardly consider Nash "in the pipeline" (Mayor's words in the post you quoted) when Howson arrived. And the pipeline is improved at least from a blueline standpoint among the team's top 20 prospects per HF. That said, I remain unconvinced regarding the overall improvement of the organization, including from a prospect standpoint.

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Davidson isn't a magic bullet, but getting Mike Priest out of hockey ops alone is a positive step.

Davidson isn't going to be a micromanager, but he's going to have a hard job ahead of him with regards to fixing the hockey ops department from top to bottom.

I expect him to help re-energize the fan base in the short term. What he does with respect to GMs, scouts and the like will determine his long term success.
Yes. As I said above, I hope his job is to provide a vision about how this organization needs to operate to have the best success on-ice, then task people to do it as he sees best fit. The lack of clear "macro" thinking has hampered the CBJ from day one.

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