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10-23-2012, 11:38 AM
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If he would annul his NHL contract, he would surely get even more money in Russia on a new contract there.
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10-23-2012, 12:25 PM
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If he would annul his NHL contract, he would surely get even more money in Russia on a new contract there.
provided the owners can pay him $90million over 13 years without going broke after 5

Good article of how the math just won't work out: http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...-bad-business/

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10-23-2012, 01:35 PM
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SKA is owned by Gazprom, which made a net of 44 billion USD last year. It's just a toy for them, they don't need and they probably don't even seek a business model. This is peanuts for them. They won't work for real on a business that would bring an income of nothing compared to what they do for real. Only worry is their board thinks it's not fun to be an owner of a hockey team anymore.

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10-23-2012, 02:54 PM
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If he would annul his NHL contract, he would surely get even more money in Russia on a new contract there.
Because of the transfer agreement, he can't unilaterally annul his contract without being banned from IIHF member leagues. Unless the Devils willingly released his contract, he couldn't play in the KHL while the NHL is in session.

That's what I understand of the IIHF rules, anyway, I could be wrong.

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10-23-2012, 04:08 PM
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Because of the transfer agreement, he can't unilaterally annul his contract without being banned from IIHF member leagues. Unless the Devils willingly released his contract, he couldn't play in the KHL while the NHL is in session.

That's what I understand of the IIHF rules, anyway, I could be wrong.
Correct + you can only exceed the KHL cap on a player who a) is just leaving the NHL and b) remains ELIGIBLE for the national Russian team

Granted I let that slide because of the criminal levels of corruption

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10-23-2012, 04:19 PM
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He can stay in Russia and do the Devils a favor, contract wise. Just look at A-Rod.

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10-23-2012, 04:32 PM
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I can't imagine one can just walk away from a contract, but the logic is that if the owners cut on existing contracts, then the players could walk away. Have no idea if that is possible, but it doesn't sound unfair. It's just talk anyway, of course they'll come back.

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10-23-2012, 04:34 PM
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He can stay in Russia and do the Devils a favor, contract wise. Just look at A-Rod.
Kovy actually played well these playoffs while injured. A-Rod is just a choker.

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10-23-2012, 04:44 PM
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He can stay in Russia and do the Devils a favor, contract wise. Just look at A-Rod.
I don't think it's fair to say that. Without Kovy when the NHL comes back we're a lottery team. No arguing that. He's the only guy who is capable of scoring 40 goals on our team right now as is, and the only guy pretty much guaranteed to score over 30 goals, actually only guy guaranteed to score over 25 goals if healthy, and playing every game of a full season.

Most teams or at least the competitive ones have a contract even more a year cap hit wise than Kovy. He's no Gomez, and at least we don't have him for a million more a year for 13 years like Minnesota does for Parise, and Suter.

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10-23-2012, 04:48 PM
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Much ado about nothing...

Can't blame either side for their posturing, it's just part of negotiation...

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10-23-2012, 05:02 PM
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He can stay in Russia and do the Devils a favor, contract wise. Just look at A-Rod.
Nonsense. Kovy is in his prime, and he is a major part of what makes the Devils a contender. If he stays in Russia it saves the Devils $11 M this year, but it lowers the quality of the team significantly.

Perhaps once he's in his late 30s and his game starts to break down, the Devils will explore the possibility of loaning him to Russia or buying his contract out, but surely not now or any time soon.

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I can't imagine one can just walk away from a contract, but the logic is that if the owners cut on existing contracts, then the players could walk away. Have no idea if that is possible, but it doesn't sound unfair. It's just talk anyway, of course they'll come back.
If the NHLPA accepts a rollback as part of the agreement (I don't think they will, but let's speak hypothetically), the players who are threatening to stay in Russia will probably come back. All things considered, their salary in the NHL is a lot more secure and guaranteed than in the KHL, even with taxes or escrow or whatever else. In Russia, owners have been known to play a little fast and loose with the contracts.

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10-23-2012, 05:28 PM
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He can stay in Russia and do the Devils a favor, contract wise. Just look at A-Rod.
I laughed when I read this. I really did, I mean not like you used evidence to prove this post but that's because it's wrong.

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10-23-2012, 05:59 PM
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What Kovy said really doesn't bother me. Both sides have good and bad points. I'd have no ill will towards him if he does stay though. Nor would I have ill will towards the owners for not paying the full contract. I've always been on the side of the owners, but nobody would be happy about getting a salary reduction. Although I hope he would come back over here for obvious reasons.

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10-23-2012, 06:36 PM
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I laughed when I read this. I really did, I mean not like you used evidence to prove this post but that's because it's wrong.
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10-23-2012, 07:31 PM
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Someone not wanting their best player on their team with one of the beat contracts in the league off the team. I just can't emphasize how wrong that is. I usually ignore the constant extemely wrong opinions that begin with no basis but that one wasn't getting by.

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10-23-2012, 07:50 PM
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I have to agree I didn't get that comment at all. And you know if Kovy left, we'd probably sign either a bunch of wash ups or nobodies, or overpay Elias, and Zubrus, and not replace Kovy really. Zajac, and Clarkson probably wouldn't even wanna stay for the years of less than mediocrity that will follow. You know just by what went down this Summer how we didn't sign anyone decent to try, and replace Parise's production. Now whether this was because Lou wanted to be cheap, or because the organization HAS to be cheap because of the financial problems who knows? We are simply a lottery team without Kovy. That's not an exaggeration either.

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10-23-2012, 08:31 PM
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Should someone remove "during lock-out" in the thread title?

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10-23-2012, 08:49 PM
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I have to agree I didn't get that comment at all. And you know if Kovy left, we'd probably sign either a bunch of wash ups or nobodies, or overpay Elias, and Zubrus, and not replace Kovy really. Zajac, and Clarkson probably wouldn't even wanna stay for the years of less than mediocrity that will follow. You know just by what went down this Summer how we didn't sign anyone decent to try, and replace Parise's production. Now whether this was because Lou wanted to be cheap, or because the organization HAS to be cheap because of the financial problems who knows? We are simply a lottery team without Kovy. That's not an exaggeration either.
I really don't think Lou would ever let that happen.

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I really don't think Lou would ever let that happen.
Well not purposely anyway

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Watching Datsyuk live is like watching Demi Moore strip. Couldn`t take my eyes off him. Oh and Zharky, love ya but when you don`t produce with Datsyuk and Grabovsky, "you suck donkey balls" is an understatement.

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I laughed when I read this. I really did, I mean not like you used evidence to prove this post but that's because it's wrong.
It's not totally wrong, Kovalchuk's contract is going to look ridiculous in 4 years IMO.

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in 4 years it's going to look even better than it does now, IMO. in 8 years it will start to get annoying, but hopefully the cap will have risen enough by then that we won't care


to be fair, though, the contract looked "ridiculous" from day one.

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It's not totally wrong, Kovalchuk's contract is going to look ridiculous in 4 years IMO.
No it isn't. His contract will never look ridiculous when he's the face of the franchise and leading the Devils to success

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We're definitely not a lottery team if Kovalchuk doesn't come back. Kovalchuk was worth about 23 goals over replacement last year, which was worth about 5 wins (10pts). The best player in a given season is rarely ever worth more than 7 wins.

We'd miss the playoffs without Kovalchuk, but to become a lottery team we'd probably have to lose Kovalchuk AND someone like Elias, while replacing them with minor league call ups.

People need to remember that a glorified AHL team would still get 50 points in an NHL season. So one player is not going to swing you from a top 10 team to a bottom five team.

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We're definitely not a lottery team if Kovalchuk doesn't come back. Kovalchuk was worth about 23 goals over replacement last year, which was worth about 5 wins (10pts). The best player in a given season is rarely ever worth more than 7 wins.

We'd miss the playoffs without Kovalchuk, but to become a lottery team we'd probably have to lose Kovalchuk AND someone like Elias, while replacing them with minor league call ups.

People need to remember that a glorified AHL team would still get 50 points in an NHL season. So one player is not going to swing you from a top 10 team to a bottom five team.
Yeah but what about losing Kovy, AND Parise? That's 68 goals right there out the window from last year. Not to mention more than half those goals the other probably had an assist on. We only scored 216 goals last year too. Our D also can't score for **** except Bryce in the playoffs, and Volch when it goes off someones helmet!

We had 2 less goals from D men in 2010/2011 in a season where the team scored 45 less goals. YUCK. Kinda unrelated, but we need more than 16 goals from defensemen. I'm pretty sure in 2010/2011 we were lowest in the league of goals scored by defensemen, as we were also the lowest scoring team period. I wouldn't be surprised if our D men were the lowest scoring last year too.

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It's not totally wrong, Kovalchuk's contract is going to look ridiculous in 4 years IMO.
Yeah, and Parise's, Suter's are gonna look better? Lecavalier's right now is looking any better? Kovy's cap hit is DAMN GOOD. However the length in years is not. Minnesota however has just made it not look so bad.


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