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10-24-2012, 04:28 PM
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You gotta get players that you think can help your team. I'm more interested in coming out of this a more complete team than trying to extract maximum value, though I know I'm alone on that.
I don't think "filler-type roster players" or 2nd tier prospects really make that much an impact. I'm not expecting 1st line/1st pairing D (real or potential); but guys that can at least fill some real holes in the lineup (vs guys that you hope can fill in those spots).

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10-24-2012, 04:34 PM
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Same with Gardiner or Phaneuf, it's making one hole to fill another. I can't imagine us wanting to give up any of those guys for Lu if the shoe was on the other foot.
Which is why Morgan Reilly is the best fit for both parties.

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I'm shooting for the latter. I don't think we have the greatest organizational depth on the right side, even if Garrison is capable of playing their full time. Their will be an injury at some point, and it would be better to have little balance.

I also think it would be better to have two reliable units that can play heavy shut down minutes would be a big boon for us, especially on the road. The third d unit can be used for offensive situations, just the way AV likes it.
then get two right handed shot dman than if u want balance. carlsonn or whoever is avaliable. flip gardiner to whoever wants him.

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10-24-2012, 04:40 PM
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then get two right handed shot dman than if u want balance. carlsonn or whoever is avaliable. flip gardiner to whoever wants him.
...that's what I said in my original post. If we got Gardiner, flip him for some right side D. Carlson, Falk, Murphy, Subban, etc.

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10-24-2012, 04:42 PM
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guys that can at least fill some real holes in the lineup (vs guys that you hope can fill in those spots).
Ideally you get guys that don't come with question marks but I don't see them out there. Established players also usually come with substantial salaries, I can't see us being able to afford a veteran 2nd line RW and 3rd line centre. I'm more comfortable with having Bozak and Frattin around to at least challenge for those spots than handing them to Kassian and Schroeder or recycling Raymond, Lapierre, Malhotra.

You also likely don't get the first if you land a 2nd line RW or good 3rd line centre and I like our drafting recently.

I also feel bad for Schneider. He's been a good soldier, keeping Lu around feels like a kick in the teeth to him. We shouldn't give Lu away but it's best to move on.

People are getting hung up on Bozak and Frattin for some reason. IMO Lu for 1st/cap savings is a deal we can win. Bozak and Frattin give us a couple more ways to win, that's all.


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10-24-2012, 04:47 PM
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Ideally you get guys that don't come with question marks but I don't see them out there. Established players also usually come with substantial salaries, I can't see us being able to afford a veteran 2nd line RW and 3rd line centre. I'm more comfortable with having Bozak and Frattin around to at least challenge for those spots than handing them to Kassian and Schroeder or recycling Raymond, Lapierre, Malhotra.

You also likely don't get the first if you land a 2nd line RW or good 3rd line centre and I like our drafting recently.

I also feel bad for Schneider. He's been a good soldier, keeping Lu around feels like a kick in the teeth to him. We shouldn't give Lu away but it's best to move on.
I tend to agree with this. My original hope was to get one player who could come in as a top 6 player. Then I started hoping to pick up a good prospect like Bjugstad. Now, unless other teams get involved, I think that our best bet may be to get Bozak and Frattin and a prospect or pick. It improves the team for next year although not as much as I had hoped.

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10-24-2012, 04:59 PM
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It improves the team for next year although not as much as I had hoped.
I know why you're mostly pessimists, I'm a Canuck fan too , but there is at least a chance those guys work out well, isn't there?

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I know why you're mostly pessimists, I'm a Canuck fan too , but there is at least a chance those guys work out well, isn't there?
I feel a bit like I'm in the SNL skit 'Lowered Expectations'.

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I find it ironic that Burke might lose his job by not addressing the same weakness his Canucks teams had: Goaltending.


I mean if Giguerre wasn't already in ANA before Burke had arrived, would we talking about a 3peat? 3 times fired for not addressing goaltending properly?


He couldn't be this out to lunch could he?

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I pray he goes to Florida or anywhere else besides Toronto.

If he's traded to the Leafs, a year from now Leafs would say in a trade they'd want Kesler, Edler and 2-1sts for Luongo because he's so good. LOL

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He couldn't be this out to lunch could he?
Maybe they have a plan? Tank one more season, Burke stays as president and gives Nonis GM job, draft McKinnon(sp?) and prosper?

We have to be careful here too, Toronto media doesn't speak for Burke. Or shouldn't anyway.

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I find it ironic that Burke might lose his job by not addressing the same weakness his Canucks teams had: Goaltending.


I mean if Giguerre wasn't already in ANA before Burke had arrived, would we talking about a 3peat? 3 times fired for not addressing goaltending properly?


He couldn't be this out to lunch could he?
I will be shocked if Luongo doesn't end up in Toronto. It just makes so much sense.
I think Burke knows that he made a mistake going with Reimer/Scrivens/Monster last year and he won't do it again.
Say what you want about Cloutier but as a regular season goalie he was head and shoulders above what the Leafs have. Burke's mistake here was thinking that Cloutier would be able to play well in the playoffs.

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I pray he goes to Florida or anywhere else besides Toronto.

If he's traded to the Leafs, a year from now Leafs would say in a trade they'd want Kesler, Edler and 2-1sts for Luongo because he's so good. LOL
I hope he goes to Florida too. You do not need to exaggerate so much though to make your point that you hate the leafs. No sane person would want to get rid of somebody who is as good as you claim we will think he is.

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If we are to get a return from Toronto I would have to go with something like

1st round pick as opposed to Morgan Reilly mostly because I don't want to have the 1st round pick selected for us, we could have had the 5th overall and picked somebody else. I am willing to pick deeper in a deeper draft, since moving up will be easier at 17 then at 30 ( see what I did there )

I would prolly go with Finn over most prospects, I'm a big no on Kadri, I would be really disappointed if the trade centered around him, he isn't a bust and I expect him to make the NHL full time but I don't see him being a big impact player, maybe have one or two good seasons. He doesn't bring the character and dedication we are looking for. Finn on the other hand is air tight defensively, we will be better off with another Tanev in the system

Frattin I admit I know not a lot about but he seems worthy of a chance, I'd rather take my chance on a smaller contract than the MacArthur\Lombardi return.

That there seems to be par for this course, of course we keep dreaming of Gardiner who I don't blame to be untouchable at this point, If Reilly was ready then perhaps they would be more willing to part with the only bright light they have.

In all honesty I want Burrows 2.0 over Goal Scorer or Pure Passer.......We don't have anybody in our systems remotely close to ready that resembles that heart and soul player. Jensen, Kassian both are close but they are specialists.

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Which is why Morgan Reilly is the best fit for both parties.
If we were in the position of having Reimer + Scrivens in net, I would gladly offer:

-Any defenceman we have; or
-Any forward except Kesler or a Sedin (unless we could both Sedins and get an equal player along with Luongo back - like Toews); or
-A package of Jensen + Kassian + Gaunce + 1st.

I strongly believe people underrate the importance of goaltending. With Reimer as our starter, we are a borderline playoff team.

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If we are to get a return from Toronto I would have to go with something like

1st round pick as opposed to Morgan Reilly mostly because I don't want to have the 1st round pick selected for us, we could have had the 5th overall and picked somebody else. I am willing to pick deeper in a deeper draft, since moving up will be easier at 17 then at 30 ( see what I did there )

I would prolly go with Finn over most prospects, I'm a big no on Kadri, I would be really disappointed if the trade centered around him, he isn't a bust and I expect him to make the NHL full time but I don't see him being a big impact player, maybe have one or two good seasons. He doesn't bring the character and dedication we are looking for. Finn on the other hand is air tight defensively, we will be better off with another Tanev in the system

Frattin I admit I know not a lot about but he seems worthy of a chance, I'd rather take my chance on a smaller contract than the MacArthur\Lombardi return.

That there seems to be par for this course, of course we keep dreaming of Gardiner who I don't blame to be untouchable at this point, If Reilly was ready then perhaps they would be more willing to part with the only bright light they have.

In all honesty I want Burrows 2.0 over Goal Scorer or Pure Passer.......We don't have anybody in our systems remotely close to ready that resembles that heart and soul player. Jensen, Kassian both are close but they are specialists.
See you are realistic and delusional at the same time. You admit we suck but think we should trade for a backup goalie. That makes no sense.

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If we were in the position of having Reimer + Scrivens in net, I would gladly offer:

-Any defenceman we have; or
-Any forward except Kesler or a Sedin (unless we could both Sedins and get an equal player along with Luongo back - like Toews);
-A package of Jensen + Kassian + Gaunce + 1st.

I strongly believe people underrate the importance of goaltending. With Reimer as our starter, we are a borderline playoff team.
Problem is Burke has faith in Reimer. The goalie of the future

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But then how would we get Bozak? Maybe if we do Luongo and Kesler we could maybe get Bozak and Phaneuf? Might have to add a 1st round pick though.
Your sarcasm does not cover for the fact that the Canucks need a #1 defense-man.

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I pray he goes to Florida or anywhere else besides Toronto.

If he's traded to the Leafs, a year from now Leafs would say in a trade they'd want Kesler, Edler and 2-1sts for Luongo because he's so good. LOL
I don't see how comments like help this discussion at all.

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Why? We'd either have:

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Gardiner-Tanev

or

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-RHD
Garrison-Tanev

Don't see much reason to do it, espcially if it means giving Garrison third pairing duties.
Where is the number 1 defense-man? Both scenarios are weak.

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See you are realistic and delusional at the same time. You admit we suck but think we should trade for a backup goalie. That makes no sense.
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I don't see how comments like help this discussion at all.
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See you are realistic and delusional at the same time. You admit we suck but think we should trade for a backup goalie. That makes no sense.
I actually don't get all the Toronto hate, you guys were 9th overall in goals for and tied us in shots against per game... The only problem is your goalie was stopping less of those shots for almost a full goal against per game difference. Turn every Vancouver one goal game into a loss (less EN goals)and we suck too.

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word.
He man, its all relative a back up goaltender on the Canucks is a starter in Toronto

Wellwood 1st liner in Toronto = 3rd/4th liner Vancouver
Fired GM in Vancouver = Gm in Toronto


How much is a buck worth over there by the way?

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Ehhh screw that I don;t wanna get into a pissing match


If you are still reading this thread Toronto guy

what would your team give up for:

Bernier?
Lundqvist?
Brodeur?
Rinne?
Miller?

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How much is a buck worth over there by the way?
two goats or three sheep.

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