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10-24-2012, 08:51 AM
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No thank you. Hansen brings more to the table than Bozak, and that's while playing a bottom-6 role.
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Hansen is much better than Bozak imo. Can't see the Nucks going for this.
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This is pretty bad for the Canucks. Hansen is the type of guy everyone wants in their bottom 6: cheap, can hit, some grit, speed, decent scoring touch, defensively responsible, pk, and versatile enough to step into the top 6 if needed. Canucks would be dumb to trade him in any type of deal.
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When I think 3rd line centre, Bozak's name does not come to mind.
Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys

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10-24-2012, 10:55 AM
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round and round the Leafs over rating goes. Make a poll of who people would rather have if you are so sure.

Bozak plays on the first line, so comparing PPG is useless.

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10-24-2012, 11:00 AM
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Horrible for the Canucks

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10-24-2012, 11:03 AM
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Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys
Clearly you've been reading through this thread.

What exactly does Bozak bring to replace what we lose with Hansen?

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10-24-2012, 11:06 AM
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Clearly you've been reading through this thread.

What exactly does Bozak bring to replace what we lose with Hansen?
What exactly does Hansen bring to replace what we lose?
Yup, once again people underrate one player because he plays for the Leafs

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10-24-2012, 11:17 AM
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No thanks, Hansen is a horse, it would take a stupid overpayment to get him away from VAN. See how OTT fans feel about Chris Neil and NYI feel about Matt Martin

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10-24-2012, 11:18 AM
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What exactly does Hansen bring to replace what we lose?
Yup, once again people underrate one player because he plays for the Leafs

Bozak doesn't have a clear niche, Hansen does.


On a squad with more C depth, what is Bozak's ideal position? I would say 2nd line C because he's not good enough to be a true 1C and not good enough defensively to be relied upon as a shut down 3C. However, he brings enough offense that he can take advantage of the softer matchups at the 2C position .


If you do, what's more important? A soft match-up 2C or a hard match-up 3RW? The Hansen supporters contend the latter is. It has nothing to do with underrating or overrating. It's about which player fills his niche better than the other.

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10-24-2012, 11:20 AM
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What exactly does Hansen bring to replace what we lose?
Yup, once again people underrate one player because he plays for the Leafs
I don't see anyone underrating a Leafs' player. They are just saying that they prefer Hansen.
Personally I would prefer Hansen because of his cost, energy and two way play. Players like Hansen become extra important in the playoffs when the games get much tighter. I see the Canucks as needing more players like Hansen not less.

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10-24-2012, 11:30 AM
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While I agree that Hansen has greater value to the Canucks then Bozak - I think that Bozak's defensive game is criminally underrated by everyone (including Leaf fans). It's hard to question if he can play shutdown when he's never played shutdown. All I know is that he is awesome on the PK (yet doesn't get the premium PK time he should get) and when given third line minutes, has excelled.

Bozak's played his majority of his professional career on a line with Kessel, who isn't Mr. Defensive (albeit has been improving) and Lupul, who is arguably one of the poorest defensive forwards in the NHL. Give him some linemates that are more defensive and he'd be great. Hence why Kulemin - Bozak always seemed to click together (Leaf fans will remember the Kulemin - Bozak - Kessel line of two years ago being awesome).

Getting back to the point, if Bozak was to play third line eventually, I'd be more interested in acquiring Hansen for someone that's not Bozak so they can play together. Unlikely though.

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10-24-2012, 12:11 PM
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Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys
Bozak is UFA after this season. Hansen has another year left on his contract. Conveniently ignored this point, unless you don't think this effects the value of a player? For someone to suggest these guys are such close players, wouldn't a full extra year under contract make a massive difference to value?

Hansen plays a key defensive role for the Canucks and is one of the team's top PK forwards, on one of the league's top PK teams.

He has also become one of the coach's favorites, getting bigger roles each year, and is a player that is used throughout the lineup (from playing next to the Sedins, to being used in every situation, to playing both wings on all 3 of the top-3 lines).

He is also one of only 2 right handed wingers in the organization that is NHL caliber.

The only thing to laugh about here is how little some Leafs fans seem to know the Canucks lineup or the importance some players have in that lineup. But please keep telling us what's more valuable to our team.

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10-24-2012, 12:34 PM
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Leaf fans shouldn't get their panties in a bunch, Hansen is a fan favourite and longtime Canuck. We tend to get attached to players that come up through the system. He's also physical and hard working adding to his appeal to fans. I think not wanting to trade him for Bozak says more about how much people think of Hansen than what they think of Bozak.

And he's the honey badger... you don't trade a guy with a nickname that good.

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10-24-2012, 01:22 PM
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Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys
Are you kidding? Bozak's CORSI numbers are downright ugly.

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10-24-2012, 01:29 PM
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Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys
If it weren't for Kesler and Burrows (Selke-worthy defense from both of them), Hansen would be our top PK foward. He can do everything, from playing with the Sedins, playing with Kesler, covering for Hodgson's defensive lapses.

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10-24-2012, 02:09 PM
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One of the major reasons I say no to this deal includes seeing how Hansen performs with Jensen, a Canucks first-round selection and fellow Dane of Hansen who seemed destined to play together (even though they both play RW! Hansen can play both sides, though)

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10-24-2012, 02:57 PM
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While I agree that Hansen has greater value to the Canucks then Bozak - I think that Bozak's defensive game is criminally underrated by everyone (including Leaf fans). It's hard to question if he can play shutdown when he's never played shutdown. All I know is that he is awesome on the PK (yet doesn't get the premium PK time he should get) and when given third line minutes, has excelled.

Bozak's played his majority of his professional career on a line with Kessel, who isn't Mr. Defensive (albeit has been improving) and Lupul, who is arguably one of the poorest defensive forwards in the NHL. Give him some linemates that are more defensive and he'd be great. Hence why Kulemin - Bozak always seemed to click together (Leaf fans will remember the Kulemin - Bozak - Kessel line of two years ago being awesome).

Getting back to the point, if Bozak was to play third line eventually, I'd be more interested in acquiring Hansen for someone that's not Bozak so they can play together. Unlikely though.
This. It is not like Vancouver fans don't want Bozak. We just don't want to give up Hansen for him. We would be taking the best piece of our third line away to fill a gap? It just makes another gap.

I personally would love to have Bozak on the Canucks, as long as it means we do not lose an important, irreplaceable (at the moment at least) piece. I think a third line of Higgins-Bozak-Hansen would be great. Problem is it is tough to imagine a deal with Bozak coming this way. Maybe as part of a Luongo trade? maybe for Raymond (similar to Hansen, more offense less defense/physicality) and a pick? I don't know.

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10-24-2012, 03:05 PM
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leafs cant afford to lose Bozak for a 3rd line winger. No Dice

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Vancouver doesn't want to lose one of their few 'tough' players and arguably their best energy player who is good defensively.

Toronto doesn't want to lose their 2nd best center and the one who plays best with their best forward given their lack of quality centers.

Value wise being fair or way off it doesn't matter. Given the situation, both players are currently borderline 'untouchable' and neither team has a dire need for the player they would receive in this trade.

Pretty much the summary of this thread. There isn't a trade to be made around these 2 players.

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10-24-2012, 03:46 PM
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Round and round the Leaf underrated wheel we go it seems

Both players are the same age (actually just days apart)

Both were longshots to make the NHL (undrafted vs 9th Rd Pick)

Make nearly identical salaries

Bozak has been better offensively (.55ppg vs .38ppg)

Hansen might be a bit better defensively, but Bozak is no slouch

Bozak plays the premium position (according to HFBoards anyway)

In the end though Vancouver would never trade Hansen for Bozak.

Thanks for the laughs guys
Well thank you for undermining anyone else's opinion. Remind me to ask the mighty TOGuy14 for permission to form opinions about our own players and why we wouldn't want to trade them for a guy Toronto can't seem to give away on these boards! Heaven forbid a Leafs fan comes up with another bad proposal that doesn't leave us anywhere further ahead, losing a fan favourite or star player for something we don't particularly want or need. Super. How about we just give him to Toronto? We shouldn't be so bold as to ask for anything of value back.

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leafs cant afford to lose Bozak for a 3rd line winger. No Dice
I agree. No trade. Bozak would be our third line center once Kesler returns.


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To Toronto

Jannik Hansen

To Vancouver

Tyler Bozak

The Canucks have been looking for a number 3 C to slot behind Kesler and Sedin. Bozak can also move up into the top 6 incase of injuries, seems like an excellent fit.

The leafs have a lot of offensive wingers, but lack defensive wingers. Hansen is a premier 3rd line winger.

Vancouver down the middle... Sedin - Kesler - Bozak - Malhotra/Who ever

Leafs Wings

Lupul-Kessel
JVR-Kadri/Frattin/MacArthur
Kulemin-Hansen
Steckle-Brown/Komarov
So you trade your #1 centre for a bottom-of-the-lineup winger that you don't need.... wonderful. Guys like Brown, Connolly, McClement, Lombardi, Kadri, Frattin, Kulemin, MacArthur, Kessel, Lupul & JvR doesn't tell you that the leafs don't need any more wingers?

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Vigneault gives tough defensive assignments to his bottom 6 in order to allow te Sedins and to an extent Kesler the opportunity to 'feast' on easy minutes.

Does ANYONE think "hmm, defensively sound center... I know! Tyler Bozak!"

...no.


The Canucks would likely have more interest in Steckl than Bozak, although neither at the cost of Hansen.

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Vigneault gives tough defensive assignments to his bottom 6 in order to allow te Sedins and to an extent Kesler the opportunity to 'feast' on easy minutes.

Does ANYONE think "hmm, defensively sound center... I know! Tyler Bozak!"

...no.


The Canucks would likely have more interest in Steckl than Bozak, although neither at the cost of Hansen.
This guy does not speak for all Canucks fans. We would much rather have Bozak than Steckel, however he is correct in saying that neither would be desirable at the cost of Hansen.

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Bozak is over looked around here. Sure he is overrated by many Leafs fans, but he is severely underrated by some people as well.

The Canucks actually do win this deal, because they have players that can replace what Hansen brings.
In what way? What does Bozak bring to the Canucks they we need to have?

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In what way? What does Bozak bring to the Canucks they we need to have?
a 3rd line center (of course not at the cost of Hansen).

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