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10-25-2012, 01:08 AM
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a 3rd line center (of course not at the cost of Hansen).
Kyle Wellwood is a 3rd line center, I'm not interested in him because we need one.

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10-25-2012, 02:06 AM
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This guy does not speak for all Canucks fans. We would much rather have Bozak than Steckel, however he is correct in saying that neither would be desirable at the cost of Hansen.
I'm not speaking for the fans, I'm speaking about what the Canucks are likely to prefer.

For those who pay attention, the Canucks bottom-6 centers (Lapierre/Malhotra) are basically there to take defensive zone face offs, get the puck in deep, and change. Steckel is somewhere between marginally and notably better defensively, and is FAR superior to Bozak on face offs.

If Bozak was on the Canucks, I'm very confident he'd be switched to wing before being tasked with defensive zone face offs against top competition.

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In what way? What does Bozak bring to the Canucks they we need to have?
Fills in the what I believe to be a hole at 3rd line center. Allows Lapierre to play as the 4th line center, which I believe him to be better suited for, I also believer that as 4th line center he'd be among the best in the league in the position. Would bolster the team's center depth, which is never a bad thing. Same thing applies for Wellwood, as you made mention to, only I feel Bozak is better suited to the third then Wellwood.

But again I I wouldn't make the move, at the price of Hansen for Bozak or Wellwood for that matter.

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10-25-2012, 10:24 AM
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I'm not speaking for the fans, I'm speaking about what the Canucks are likely to prefer.

For those who pay attention, the Canucks bottom-6 centers (Lapierre/Malhotra) are basically there to take defensive zone face offs, get the puck in deep, and change. Steckel is somewhere between marginally and notably better defensively, and is FAR superior to Bozak on face offs.

If Bozak was on the Canucks, I'm very confident he'd be switched to wing before being tasked with defensive zone face offs against top competition.
Well Bozak took face offs against top competition last year and posted a 52.7% success rate..

Lappiere : 52.1% against 4th liners

Malholtra Dominated: 58.5%

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10-25-2012, 03:08 PM
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I'm not speaking for the fans, I'm speaking about what the Canucks are likely to prefer.

For those who pay attention, the Canucks bottom-6 centers (Lapierre/Malhotra) are basically there to take defensive zone face offs, get the puck in deep, and change. Steckel is somewhere between marginally and notably better defensively, and is FAR superior to Bozak on face offs.

If Bozak was on the Canucks, I'm very confident he'd be switched to wing before being tasked with defensive zone face offs against top competition.
I would still be extremely surprised if MG preferred Steckel to Bozak. Steckel is pretty useless as a hockey player outside of faceoffs, while Bozak has a nice, well-rounded game that Gillis seems to love. Not to mention Bozak could slide in perfectly on the depth chart as a #3 center, whereas we already have Malhotra, Lapierre and Kassian on the 4th line, and I don't see Steckel bumping any of them off.

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10-25-2012, 04:24 PM
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I would still be extremely surprised if MG preferred Steckel to Bozak. Steckel is pretty useless as a hockey player outside of faceoffs, while Bozak has a nice, well-rounded game that Gillis seems to love. Not to mention Bozak could slide in perfectly on the depth chart as a #3 center, whereas we already have Malhotra, Lapierre and Kassian on the 4th line, and I don't see Steckel bumping any of them off.
Bozak doesn't have a nice well-rounded game at all. Literally every player he played with performed worse when on the ice with him when compared to without him.

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Well Bozak took face offs against top competition last year and posted a 52.7% success rate..

Lappiere : 52.1% against 4th liners

Malholtra Dominated: 58.5%
Bozak didn't face top competition. Those minutes went to Grabovski. Even Steckel had tougher minutes than Bozak, starting far more shifts in the defensive zone and against slightly tougher competition.

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Steckel was acquired preseason to help address the Leafsí shoddy penalty kill. He is one of the NHLís top faceoff men and was routinely trotted out for defensive zone faceoffs, whether or not short handed and more often than not against superior opposition.
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When studying their forwards take it easy on Steckel, Crabb, Brown or Dupuisí stat sheets because while the Leafs arenít too rigid on line-matching, Wilson and/or Carlyle tilted the ice away from players like these.



Lapierre wasn't sent out against 4th liners, he was sent out whenever the faceoff was in the Canucks zone. Lapierre took 111 faceoffs in the offensive zone and 389 in the defensive zone.

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10-25-2012, 08:17 PM
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I'm in the camp that would move Hansen as I consider him expendable. Raymond could take his role just fine, I'd rather trade Hansen for high value than give Raymond away. We also have Higgins, Kassian, and others looking for spots to fit in. This isn't a deal I make though, I want someone better even if we have to add.

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