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10-21-2012, 06:08 PM
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Then the thread should be about trading Franson or Liles for a more defensive dman, no? If we trade Mac for one, then we're back to having 2 nhl-calibre dmen riding the pine.
The idea would be to find a deal that allows us to trade Franson for futures, or in part for the defenceman we need.

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What if we throw in a conditional pick if Murray doesn't re-sign?
Nope... he's just not the right piece. The defencemen from the Sharks that the Leafs would be looking to acquire are Vlasic and Burns.

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10-21-2012, 06:31 PM
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I'd be willing to try out MacArthur for Volch. I love Anton as a player, but the added winger is a bigger asset than the lost dman.

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10-21-2012, 06:51 PM
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What about Rusty Klesla? He's a great pk guy and can play anywhere in the 3-6 spot.

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10-22-2012, 10:45 AM
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Has his play fallen off that much over the last 2 years, or is it just an issue of fit?
he just doesn't fit Deboer's system, essentially.

he is still effective as a shutdown PK guy (Florida series last year aside) but the Devils simply have too many DMen and he is the most expendable. for us he is nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy. Greene, Fayne, Larsson, Zidlicky, Tallinder, and Salvador are all essentially ahead of him on the depth chart.

he does have a NTC which who knows if he'll waive, but still

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10-22-2012, 11:10 AM
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he just doesn't fit Deboer's system, essentially.

he is still effective as a shutdown PK guy (Florida series last year aside) but the Devils simply have too many DMen and he is the most expendable. for us he is nothing more than a 3rd pairing guy. Greene, Fayne, Larsson, Zidlicky, Tallinder, and Salvador are all essentially ahead of him on the depth chart.

he does have a NTC which who knows if he'll waive, but still
Volch has a lot of mileage on his body and to many years left on his contract.

As a Leafs fan I've got no interest in taking on that contract.

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10-22-2012, 12:46 PM
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If I were the Leafs I'd give Komisarek another chance under Carlyle.

Jaques Martin is the reason for that contract and Ron Wilson is a good part of why he hasn't lived up to it yet.
Brian Burke is the reason for the contract

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10-22-2012, 03:23 PM
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What about Rusty Klesla? He's a great pk guy and can play anywhere in the 3-6 spot.
Id probably do it as a Leaf fan.

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10-22-2012, 09:52 PM
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I'd be willing to try out MacArthur for Volch. I love Anton as a player, but the added winger is a bigger asset than the lost dman.
With Volch breaking his leg in the KHL I would hold off on trading for him.

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10-23-2012, 02:10 PM
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What about Rusty Klesla? He's a great pk guy and can play anywhere in the 3-6 spot.
I would probably do something around Klesla for MacArthur.

MacA is easily replaceable in the Leafs lineup by the likes of JVR, Kulemin, Kadri, Frattin, Ashton, etc...

Klesla brings some size and grit that the Leafs blueline is currently lacking, and should help improve their horrendous PK.

Phaneuf - Gunner
Gardiner - Klesla
Liles - Holzer

extras: Komi/Franson/Fraser/Ranger?

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10-23-2012, 05:12 PM
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Perhaps a deal around Jeff Schultz?
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Seconded. Schultz + 4th?
Edm needs another defensive dman not another winger, why would we give away a dman like Schultz for a fwd that we have no room for.

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Edm needs another defensive dman not another winger, why would we give away a dman like Schultz for a fwd that we have no room for.
Jeff Schultz plays for the Capitals.

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Leafs have an over abundance of puck moving d-men on our team. What stay at home defender does your team give up for a decent winger in Mac? (I said decent, not great. Please keep in mind.)
wouldnt it make some sense to flip komasarek for ballard and give both guys a chance for a fresh start? if you do that you can flip macarthur for raymond in the exact same deal

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What about Rusty Klesla? He's a great pk guy and can play anywhere in the 3-6 spot.
If PHX were willing to trade Klesla for Mac then I'd take that deal over Murray or Volchenkov for sure. Underrated winger for an underrated d-man.

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10-23-2012, 09:26 PM
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With Volch breaking his leg in the KHL I would hold off on trading for him.
It's a bone in his foot...not the ankle injury that was initially reported and certainly not a broken leg.

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If PHX were willing to trade Klesla for Mac then I'd take that deal over Murray or Volchenkov for sure. Underrated winger for an underrated d-man.
Honestly that's just the general idea, for GMDM to pull the trigger then I'm sure Toronto would have to add a third or fourth to make it happen because rusty is important to our pk.

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10-24-2012, 01:36 PM
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It's a bone in his foot...not the ankle injury that was initially reported and certainly not a broken leg.
And it's only a fracture in his left foot. Doctors expect him to miss 4-6 weeks, however his agent says he'll be able to return sooner. Like you say not a broken leg and definately not a serious injury.

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10-24-2012, 05:05 PM
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I think that if Burke thought we needed a defensive defenseman he wouldnt have traded Luke Schenn. Look at the best teams in the league and they can all move the puck from the back end. Vancouver has Edler and Bieksa, LA has Doughty and Voynov, Chicago has Keith and Seabrook. The need for a truly defensive defenseman is diminishing in the changing NHL. Burke is preparing for this as seen with the drafting of Percy and Rielly, along with the addition of Gardiner.
Regarding LA's defense, I think you're oversimplifying things a bit. Each of their pairs has a puck mover and a more defensive defense guy. Doughty is paired with Scuderi, Voynov with Willie Mitchell, and Alec Martinez is paired with Matt Greene. Yes, their puck movers are important, but they also have a lot of solid defensive guys as well.

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Personally I would prefer to trade Mac for a fantastic defensive winger, an elite level PKer who can put up 30-40 points.

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10-25-2012, 11:31 AM
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wouldnt it make some sense to flip komasarek for ballard and give both guys a chance for a fresh start? if you do that you can flip macarthur for raymond in the exact same deal
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Personally I would prefer to trade Mac for a fantastic defensive winger, an elite level PKer who can put up 30-40 points.
can you give an example of who you think would be an ideal type of guy? i agree that toronto needs a proper 3rd line defensive specialist. i just cant think of any who could possibly be available

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can you give an example of who you think would be an ideal type of guy? i agree that toronto needs a proper 3rd line defensive specialist. i just cant think of any who could possibly be available
Clutterbuck is one but we wouldn't wanna give him up for just MacArthur. He is a very valuable 3rd liner. good for 15+ goals a year and great on PK. Perfect 3rd liner.

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Clutterbuck is one but we wouldn't wanna give him up for just MacArthur. He is a very valuable 3rd liner. good for 15+ goals a year and great on PK. Perfect 3rd liner.
There is no way MacArthur alone gets you Clutterbuck.

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can you give an example of who you think would be an ideal type of guy? i agree that toronto needs a proper 3rd line defensive specialist. i just cant think of any who could possibly be available
Not saying Mac can necessarily get any of these players (and some are C's) but I would target guys like:

Max Talbot
Craig Adams
Lauri Korpikoski
Matt Cooke
Eric Belanger
Travis Moen

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Babchuk and Comeau for Macarthur
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He has only played 2 NHL games in his entire career. Not sure how you can say he is ready.
he is ready, or burke wouldn't have moved schenn.

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