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10-25-2012, 09:29 AM
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I hate this phrase ^ . Does this mean every prospect who has yet to prove anything in the NHL carries the same value?

Every player in the NHL at one time was "a prospect that hadn't proven anything in the NHL".. it still doesnt change his value, as he is currently still the top ranked defensive propsect in the world.
Not entirely, but all prospects share a similar inherent risk that they won't be able to adapt to the NHL. So of course it does change the prospects value compared to where it would be if the kid had some NHL success.

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10-25-2012, 09:48 AM
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Not entirely, but all prospects share a similar inherent risk that they won't be able to adapt to the NHL. So of course it does change the prospects value compared to where it would be if the kid had some NHL success.
So you're saying if Hamilton plays well in the NHL he has more value? Obviously...

As far as prospects go, he has more value than almost all of them, and because of his potential/ceiling, his value is sky high compared to most NHL players as well. Maybe not the stars, but we're not trading Hamilton for anything less than what we think he could be. Only player I'd consider trading Hamilton for straight up on the Avs is EJ (not that you would, but it makes no sense for Boston otherwise).

Who would you have traded Duchene for when he was one of the best prospects in the game? Probably not a lot of players huh?

Just because a prospect hasnt played an NHL game yet, doesnt mean their value can't be extremely high. Any deal involving Hamilton needs to return another top four young defensman (EJ)...defense is weak depth wise in the organization, trading Hamilton cant happen otherwise.

Bruins/Avs are horrible trading partners...both teams most likely trading assets are young 1/2 centers because of the organizational depth at center.

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10-25-2012, 09:55 AM
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Hamilton value as top prospect, compared with Hejduk value as 36-year-old. Armchair GM's can manage to figure this one out no doubt.

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So you're saying if Hamilton plays well in the NHL he has more value? Obviously...

As far as prospects go, he has more value than almost all of them, and because of his potential/ceiling, his value is sky high compared to most NHL players as well. Maybe not the stars, but we're not trading Hamilton for anything less than what we think he could be. Only player I'd consider trading Hamilton for straight up on the Avs is EJ (not that you would, but it makes no sense for Boston otherwise).

Who would you have traded Duchene for when he was one of the best prospects in the game? Probably not a lot of players huh?

Just because a prospect hasnt played an NHL game yet, doesnt mean their value can't be extremely high. Any deal involving Hamilton needs to return another top four young defensman (EJ)...defense is weak depth wise in the organization, trading Hamilton cant happen otherwise.

Bruins/Avs are horrible trading partners...both teams most likely trading assets are young 1/2 centers because of the organizational depth at center.

We could always scrap these nonsense ideas tht are to the mold of the Ops proposal and just do what every real NHL team does and make another trade similar to the hunwick for Colby Cohen....question is who is our new hunwick...

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10-25-2012, 11:54 AM
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So you're saying if Hamilton plays well in the NHL he has more value? Obviously...

As far as prospects go, he has more value than almost all of them, and because of his potential/ceiling, his value is sky high compared to most NHL players as well. Maybe not the stars, but we're not trading Hamilton for anything less than what we think he could be. Only player I'd consider trading Hamilton for straight up on the Avs is EJ (not that you would, but it makes no sense for Boston otherwise).

Who would you have traded Duchene for when he was one of the best prospects in the game? Probably not a lot of players huh?

Just because a prospect hasnt played an NHL game yet, doesnt mean their value can't be extremely high. Any deal involving Hamilton needs to return another top four young defensman (EJ)...defense is weak depth wise in the organization, trading Hamilton cant happen otherwise.

Bruins/Avs are horrible trading partners...both teams most likely trading assets are young 1/2 centers because of the organizational depth at center.
That's all good, but that doesn't mean much to the Avs cause to us he's still just a prospect that's the centerpiece of a trade for our best player and one of our only veterans. An excellent prospect, but still a kid that won't start reaching that first pairing potential for years. That's not what we'd trade stastny for, even if it's also not what you'd trade for Stastny, that's why the two teams are bad trading partners.

As for Dutchy we didn't get a chance to trade him as a prospect since he went straight to the NHL. ;-)

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10-25-2012, 02:09 PM
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What if the Avs throw in Siemens?
Nah, doesnt help. Hamilton is a top five prospect in hockey, Id rather just sign a vet.

Seriously, any deal would have to include EJ, wed have to replace Dougie with an already proven young top pairing defensman...and trading EJ for Dougie would be moronic for the Avs, obviously.

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10-25-2012, 02:32 PM
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That's all good, but that doesn't mean much to the Avs cause to us he's still just a prospect that's the centerpiece of a trade for our best player and one of our only veterans. An excellent prospect, but still a kid that won't start reaching that first pairing potential for years. That's not what we'd trade stastny for, even if it's also not what you'd trade for Stastny, that's why the two teams are bad trading partners.

As for Dutchy we didn't get a chance to trade him as a prospect since he went straight to the NHL. ;-)
Because Brad Marchand is garbage and belongs in the AHL....

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10-25-2012, 02:43 PM
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Why did I have the feeling a Boston fan would act insulted that Stastny was in a trade proposal for more than because they have center depth and don't need more of it....

The value is more than fine. It's a joke that anyone would claim Marchand has more value than Stastny. Let alone a prospect that has proven nothing at the NHL stage regardless of hype or status.
Wow, you just didn't use the he hasn't played in the NHL yet as a reason to lower the value of Hamilton. May be the best dman not in the NHL yet. Sorry, that is just a weak arguement.


Just because a trade doesn't fit your team needs doesn't mean you go on to bash the players involved because you subscribe to the crowd mentality of "Stastny sucks".
And if you read the post, he talks about the contract being a problem. And quite frankly it is. Stastny is over paid by a fair amount and that does lower his value quite a bit. At $6.6 million per he is very overpaid, but like 2 million per year.

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10-25-2012, 03:15 PM
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And if you read the post, he talks about the contract being a problem. And quite frankly it is. Stastny is over paid by a fair amount and that does lower his value quite a bit. At $6.6 million per he is very overpaid, but like 2 million per year.
Yeah that post was intriguing to say the least. I wouldnt trade Marchand for Stasny ever...now is that because of overall value? Maybe not, but Stasny is as needed on this team as a defense prospect on the Penguins. Our best offensive player who is a natural center is playing wing....

Also, our two best offensive PROSPECTS project to be centers. Just makes no sense to trade for Stasny, not even mentioning the contract (which is kinda ugly if he keeps producing the way he is).

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10-25-2012, 04:00 PM
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I don't want to be mean and say outlandish comments, but bro this is brutal.

We need a defenseman to play with EJ, not trade him away.

And besides we only trade with Toronto, I don't want to break up our relationship with them.

no problem, I don't really think it's a good trade for either. but i thought the original was worse (or at least as bad anyway!!)
don't think our teams match up well for a trade right now.

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Because Brad Marchand is garbage and belongs in the AHL....
We've got Landeskog, McGinn, Jones, PAP and Downie already so Marchand doesn't really fill a need, especially if we're giving away our ability to roll 3 scoring lines. Marchand's a good winger, but he's not an elite top line guy who'd be our best winger, so it's Hamilton that'd be the really prize for the Avs.

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It does not make sense for BOS they don't need a centreman making over 6mil. I would rather keep Marchand and Hamilton as they are players that will help BOS more.

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And if you read the post, he talks about the contract being a problem. And quite frankly it is. Stastny is over paid by a fair amount and that does lower his value quite a bit. At $6.6 million per he is very overpaid, but like 2 million per year.
More like 1 million per year.

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