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It's Not About Winning Or Losing. It's About Who Gets The Blame (CBA/Lockout) XVI

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10-25-2012, 04:02 PM
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Well I think its now obvious that Fehr will try to hold the owners hostage right before the Winter Classic, fun times ahead :s

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What were the dates of the NBA offers?

I didn't say I knew them. I suggested one could check.

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Put one on the market.
It'lll get snapped up quick.
Blues took 2 1/2 years to sell. How long did dallas take? How about phoenix? MOD


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Do you have a source?
Yeah, the sky rocketting salary cap, exhibit A.

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It's not the players' job to make sure that every business in the league can compete with NYR and Toronto.

The league needs to take some responsiblity here, too.

Overall, the business is profitable.

Many departments are profitable. Many are on the bubble. Many are losing money.

but overall, the business is profitable.

So how about we correct the problem in a 50/50 manner.

Let's determine how much revenue is needed to help the poor franchises.

The players will go 50 percent of the way. The rich teams can go the other 50 percent.

Instead of the 90/10 proposal being demanded by the owners today
This is the very fist thing you have said that I agree with.
Contrary to the hard "pro-owner" stance I have taken, I do agree that they need to increase their revenue sharing.

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10-25-2012, 04:03 PM
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And how many tickets do you plan on selling with a team full of minimum wage players.

You think you'll have many happy fans burning jerseys because you just went all cheapskate ?
Team full of them?

Other than Phoenix, what is the lowest revenue team in the league?

How many teams will lose money at the current salary floor?

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You're one fighting for linkage. Jesus Christ.
Linkage or not, wouldn't there still need to be escrow to guarantee whatever dollar amount the NHLPA is collectively promised?

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I didn't say I knew them. I suggested one could check.
You made the claim that is was scripted by the all powerfu law firm, did you not have the info to back up the claim?

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It'lll get snapped up quick. MOD
There's been a hockey team on the market for 3 years.

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What's the projected rate of player salary growth under the NHL's latest 50-50 offer by the end of term? Isn't it projected to grow nonetheless?

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Yeah, the sky rocketting salary cap, exhibit A.
Salary cap is tied to revenue not profit, do you know the difference?

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Yeah, the sky rocketting salary cap, exhibit A.
The salary cap has no relation to profitability.

Revenue is not profit.

The salary cap is based on revenue.

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10-25-2012, 04:06 PM
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This is the very fist thing you have said that I agree with.
Contrary to the hard "pro-owner" stance I have taken, I do agree that they need to increase their revenue sharing.
But it has no chance in hell of happening. Because Mike Ilitch would give away his daughter before he'lll share his revenue with other billionaires.

To a certain extent, I don't blame him. But in the end, these aren't 30 unrelated businesses. They're part of a league. If rich owners don't want to share in the pain to expand the NHL, they shouldn't have taken the money. They should quit the league and see how far they get without it.

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If the Winter Classic is cancelled, I say Bettman gets fired. The owners are posturing but the league cannot afford to lose the Classic. Hockey is DONE in the US if they lose the momentum they started there.
A bit overly dramatic. I really don't think hockey continuing in America is centered around the Winter Classic. It's a single game.

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Jiggy deflected this question in the last thread so I'll ask it again:

- Many NHL teams are losing money, which means they have to cut costs. What costs do you (or any pro-NHLPA poster) suggest they cut if they aren't allowed to cut player's salaries?
- Maybe they should start flying coach instead of private first class. You know, go back to the good old days when they were taking flights at 4am.

- How about NOT giving them 100 bucks a day for food? (I know some lard ***** that wouldn't be able to spend that much on food in one day)

- How about they pay for their own 300 dollar hockey sticks?

- How about staying at the Comfort Inn instead of 5 star hotels?

- How about players buying memberships at the local gym instead of using the palaces (At Console for instance) that substitute for training facilities?

- How about they pay for their own massage therapists and trainers?

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Linkage or not, wouldn't there still need to be escrow to guarantee whatever dollar amount the NHLPA is collectively promised?
And?

Look, I don't agree with a cap. IMO, the players, long-term, are better off with linkage. But they're going to hurt short-term.
Conversely, the owners are better off, long term, with a set hard cap. But they' have to endure short term pain.

But that's all beside the point. Which, by the way, seems to be lost now.

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- How about NOT giving them 100 bucks a day for food? (I know some lard ***** that wouldn't be able to spend that much on food in one day)
If you understood things about diets and budgets, you'd know that "lard *****" typically eat crappy, cheap food that's bad for you.

Shop at stores with good, quality food, or eat at restaurants with good, quality food, and see what happens to your budget.

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I hope both groups are proud of pissing off an entire fanbase

They're probably hi fiving each other as we speak "hey guys, we get a year off LOLZ"

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And?

Look, I don't agree with a cap. IMO, the players, long-term, are better off with linkage. But they're going to hurt short-term.
Conversely, the owners are better off, long term, with a set hard cap. But they' have to endure short term pain.

But that's all beside the point. Which, by the way, seems to be lost now.
Having no cap didn't work before, so I don't see how you can think it would be better without one. The rich teams still got richer, and the poor teams still got poorer because they couldn't afford players.

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Which teams and how much?
The links and numbers have been posted and you continue to choose not to believe them.

I'm reminded of this this quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan when seeing your posts (and others).

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”

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The salary cap has no relation to profitability.

Revenue is not profit.

The salary cap is based on revenue.
I don't know what point you are trying to make. Revenue inscreased substantially, costs increased marginally, ticket prices and attendance increased substantially on the whole. If you look at it strictly from the poor owners POV, sure, profits are non-existent. They need to figure that out for themselves, amongst themselves (the owners).

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If you understood things about diets and budgets, you'd know that "lard *****" typically eat crappy, cheap food that's bad for you.

Shop at stores with good, quality food, or eat at restaurants with good, quality food, and see what happens to your budget.
Hey we are just tying to find a way for the teams that are losing money to stay afloat while they have to give the players raises.

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How is the Winter Classic going to be used as a negotiation ploy? Especially once games are lost? There's something unique about this year's WC that causes a ton of problems in lockout shortened seasons.

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I'm Commander Shepard, and...........you get the idea.
Wow. Bill Daly strikes a stake through the heart of player haters everywhere.

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Proof that it's not that unreasonable? Even the league itself isn't contesting the fact it's likely to grow at that rate – aside from any impact from missing 2012-13 games due to a lockout.

"I'm not sure there ever was a real concern about projecting 5 per cent growth," NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said via e-mail. "But I think it's safe to say the equation has changed now pretty dramatically with where we find ourselves."

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