HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Trade Rumors and Free Agent Talk Trade rumors, transactions, and free agent talk. Rumors must contain the word RUMOR in post title. Proposals must contain the word PROPOSAL in post title.

Yakupov

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
10-25-2012, 02:40 PM
  #26
TowMater14
Registered User
 
TowMater14's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: OIL COUNTRY
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,818
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockinghockey View Post
With Yakupov getting clutch goals and lightening it up in the KHL, what would your team give for him?

A lot of teams could use a pure sniper.

EDM's needs are a legit number two centreman with size, top dman is what is needed.
How about no?

TowMater14 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 02:45 PM
  #27
InjuredChoker
Registered User
 
InjuredChoker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: LTIR or golf course
Posts: 17,883
vCash: 500
Trade 1st overall pick same year you drafted him and he signed a conract with the team.. Don't know about that.

Go after missing pieces at UFA and upcoming drafts.

InjuredChoker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 03:26 PM
  #28
worraps
Acceptance
 
worraps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,631
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by kemisti View Post
Trade 1st overall pick same year you drafted him and he signed a conract with the team.. Don't know about that.

Go after missing pieces at UFA and upcoming drafts.
This.

Also after adding young players as talented as Yakupov and Schultz and accounting for the natural development of RNH/Hall/Eberle, the Oilers don't even know what they have until a substantial number of NHL games are played.

worraps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 03:29 PM
  #29
jumptheshark
Give the dog a bone
 
jumptheshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: hf retirement home
Country: United Nations
Posts: 52,527
vCash: 1850
Before the oilers drafted him people will calling him a stud and 50 goal scorer. Oilers get him and we will be lucky to get a 7th round pick for him

jumptheshark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 03:32 PM
  #30
WildcatMapleLeafs28
Registered User
 
WildcatMapleLeafs28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Atlantic Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,944
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newfie9 View Post
Edmonton would want both of them.
And that's why we'll never see that trade happen.

WildcatMapleLeafs28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:03 PM
  #31
candyman82
Registered User
 
candyman82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
Posts: 2,414
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 View Post
People like you are just mind blowing, give you head a shake and go look at the first overall picks lets say the last 20 years and put them down and see how good they turned out....he was first overall for a reason don't you think? Well obviously you don't.
Fine by me
1992: Roman Hamrlik. Three time all-star
1993: Alexandre Daigle. No need to elaborate here
1994: Ed Jovanoski. Five time all-star
1995: Bryan Berard. Career derailed by injuries
1996: Chris Phillips. Has had an okay career, never matched expectations
1997: Joe Thornton. Six time all-star with an Art Ross and Hart Trophy to his name
1998: Vincent Lecavalier. Four time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
1999: Patrik Stefan. Notable bust already out of the game
2000: Rick Dipietro. Career derailed by injuries
2001: Ilya Kovalchuk. Three time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2002: Rick Nash. Five time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2003: Marc-Andre Fleury. Stanley Cup winning goaltender
2004: Alexander Ovechkin: No need to write anything
2005: Sidney Crosby: See Ovechkin
2006: Erik Johnson: Has been good, but not great player
2007: Patrick Kane: At very least will be consistent 20 goal/40 assist player
2008: Steven Stamkos: Young player who already has two 50+ goal seasons
2009: John Tavares: Already has an 80 point season under belt, improves yearly
2010: Taylor Hall: Young and talented, has already proven self at NHL
2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: See Hall
2012: Nail Yakupov: ?????????????

candyman82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:11 PM
  #32
nogger
#wemissyoubutler
 
nogger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,278
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyman82 View Post
Fine by me
1992: Roman Hamrlik. Three time all-star
1993: Alexandre Daigle. No need to elaborate here
1994: Ed Jovanoski. Five time all-star
1995: Bryan Berard. Career derailed by injuries
1996: Chris Phillips. Has had an okay career, never matched expectations
1997: Joe Thornton. Six time all-star with an Art Ross and Hart Trophy to his name
1998: Vincent Lecavalier. Four time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
1999: Patrik Stefan. Notable bust already out of the game
2000: Rick Dipietro. Career derailed by injuries
2001: Ilya Kovalchuk. Three time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2002: Rick Nash. Five time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2003: Marc-Andre Fleury. Stanley Cup winning goaltender
2004: Alexander Ovechkin: No need to write anything
2005: Sidney Crosby: See Ovechkin
2006: Erik Johnson: Has been good, but not great player
2007: Patrick Kane: At very least will be consistent 20 goal/40 assist player
2008: Steven Stamkos: Young player who already has two 50+ goal seasons
2009: John Tavares: Already has an 80 point season under belt, improves yearly
2010: Taylor Hall: Young and talented, has already proven self at NHL
2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: See Hall
2012: Nail Yakupov: ?????????????
So what you're saying we're due for a bust.

nogger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:37 PM
  #33
Spitsfan67*
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Windsor
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,435
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyman82 View Post
Fine by me
1992: Roman Hamrlik. Three time all-star
1993: Alexandre Daigle. No need to elaborate here
1994: Ed Jovanoski. Five time all-star
1995: Bryan Berard. Career derailed by injuries
1996: Chris Phillips. Has had an okay career, never matched expectations
1997: Joe Thornton. Six time all-star with an Art Ross and Hart Trophy to his name
1998: Vincent Lecavalier. Four time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
1999: Patrik Stefan. Notable bust already out of the game
2000: Rick Dipietro. Career derailed by injuries
2001: Ilya Kovalchuk. Three time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2002: Rick Nash. Five time all-star and Rocket Richard winner
2003: Marc-Andre Fleury. Stanley Cup winning goaltender
2004: Alexander Ovechkin: No need to write anything
2005: Sidney Crosby: See Ovechkin
2006: Erik Johnson: Has been good, but not great player
2007: Patrick Kane: At very least will be consistent 20 goal/40 assist player
2008: Steven Stamkos: Young player who already has two 50+ goal seasons
2009: John Tavares: Already has an 80 point season under belt, improves yearly
2010: Taylor Hall: Young and talented, has already proven self at NHL
2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins: See Hall
2012: Nail Yakupov: ?????????????
There we go it's about a 90 % chance at least he will be a star, players aren't picked first overall for no reason, Edler + Schnieder Vancouver would be dying of laughter in 5 years along with there fans...No reason they would trade him at all because he's a first overall pick and if you do theres a good chance your trading a future all star away.

Spitsfan67* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:48 PM
  #34
TheJuxtaposer
#Shorks
 
TheJuxtaposer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 26,342
vCash: 567
How about something like Clowe + Couture (+)?

Clowe-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Couture-Hemsky

Edmonton gets a legit top-6 power foward with a record of protecting young players, he'll stand up for Eberle/RNH if anyone gives them trouble and has enough offensive talent to play with them. Couture is a long-term solution at #2C who's good defensively (and good enough to be #1C if RNH goes down with injury), and who'd be a great fit with Hall and Hemsky. Edmonton has basically two #1 lines, and all of the players are 30 (Clowe and Hemsky) or younger (like really young).

SJ gets a legit young franchise forward to build around.

Dunno what the plus would be.

TheJuxtaposer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:52 PM
  #35
Fourier
Registered User
 
Fourier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Waterloo Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,705
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer View Post
How about something like Clowe + Couture (+)?

Clowe-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Couture-Hemsky

Edmonton gets a legit top-6 power foward with a record of protecting young players, he'll stand up for Eberle/RNH if anyone gives them trouble and has enough offensive talent to play with them. Couture is a long-term solution at #2C who's good defensively (and good enough to be #1C if RNH goes down with injury), and who'd be a great fit with Hall and Hemsky. Edmonton has basically two #1 lines, and all of the players are 30 (Clowe and Hemsky) or younger (like really young).

SJ gets a legit young franchise forward to build around.

Dunno what the plus would be.
Actually, this is a very interesting offer. Clowe would have to sign long term but if the Oilers really did feel inclined to deal Yakupov this is the type of trade I would expect.


Last edited by Fourier: 10-25-2012 at 04:57 PM.
Fourier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 04:56 PM
  #36
Pucklington
Registered User
 
Pucklington's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: canada
Posts: 635
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystlyfe View Post
His KHL deal is for this season and the next. So if the lockout extends through this entire season, you're only really losing one year to the KHL.
And then again he may like being home, and playing in the KHL. He is going to get a ton of money thrown at him when his contract is up. Why would he sign a ELC? I have my doubts he ever comes over.

Not worth the risk. Yakupov is as good or better, and he is a known risk.

Pucklington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:01 PM
  #37
Mystlyfe
We're Touched
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 12,539
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 View Post
There we go it's about a 90 % chance at least he will be a star, players aren't picked first overall for no reason, Edler + Schnieder Vancouver would be dying of laughter in 5 years along with there fans...No reason they would trade him at all because he's a first overall pick and if you do theres a good chance your trading a future all star away.
Did you read the same list the rest of us did?

90% chance he will be a star? There are 20 names on that list. Included there are Daigle, Berard, DiPietro, Stefan (four players clearly not NHL stars), Phillips, Hamrlik (two solid players, but not really stars for most of their career), Erik Johnson (looking like a somewhat similar career to Phillips and Hamrlik), and Marc-Andre Fleury (looked terrific for a while, but his stock has fallen hard since the Cup win). Even counting Fleury, that's 13/20. In what world does 13/20 equate to 90%?

Mystlyfe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:02 PM
  #38
Mystlyfe
We're Touched
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 12,539
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pucklington View Post
And then again he may like being home, and playing in the KHL. He is going to get a ton of money thrown at him when his contract is up. Why would he sign a ELC? I have my doubts he ever comes over.

Not worth the risk. Yakupov is as good or better, and he is a known risk.
He's in the KHL currently because they essentially said that he wouldn't make the Olympic squad in 2014 if he left for the NHL. He'll be here after Sochi.

Mystlyfe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:07 PM
  #39
TheJuxtaposer
#Shorks
 
TheJuxtaposer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 26,342
vCash: 567
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystlyfe View Post
Did you read the same list the rest of us did?

90% chance he will be a star? There are 20 names on that list. Included there are Daigle, Berard, DiPietro, Stefan (four players clearly not NHL stars), Phillips, Hamrlik (two solid players, but not really stars for most of their career), Erik Johnson (looking like a somewhat similar career to Phillips and Hamrlik), and Marc-Andre Fleury (looked terrific for a while, but his stock has fallen hard since the Cup win). Even counting Fleury, that's 13/20. In what world does 13/20 equate to 90%?
If you subtract the defensemen and goalies from the equation, you'll find that Yakupov has a much better chance.

TheJuxtaposer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:27 PM
  #40
topchowda
Registered User
 
topchowda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,531
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystlyfe View Post
Did you read the same list the rest of us did?

90% chance he will be a star? There are 20 names on that list. Included there are Daigle, Berard, DiPietro, Stefan (four players clearly not NHL stars), Phillips, Hamrlik (two solid players, but not really stars for most of their career), Erik Johnson (looking like a somewhat similar career to Phillips and Hamrlik), and Marc-Andre Fleury (looked terrific for a while, but his stock has fallen hard since the Cup win). Even counting Fleury, that's 13/20. In what world does 13/20 equate to 90%?
Yakupov isnt defense or goalie?

Also including picks from 1995 is not really relevent.

From the 2000 draft on, how many forwards picks chosen first overall busted?

topchowda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:28 PM
  #41
topchowda
Registered User
 
topchowda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,531
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mystlyfe View Post
He's in the KHL currently because they essentially said that he wouldn't make the Olympic squad in 2014 if he left for the NHL. He'll be here after Sochi.
Source

topchowda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:31 PM
  #42
Minimalist*
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 1,072
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer View Post
How about something like Clowe + Couture (+)?

Clowe-RNH-Eberle
Hall-Couture-Hemsky

Edmonton gets a legit top-6 power foward with a record of protecting young players, he'll stand up for Eberle/RNH if anyone gives them trouble and has enough offensive talent to play with them. Couture is a long-term solution at #2C who's good defensively (and good enough to be #1C if RNH goes down with injury), and who'd be a great fit with Hall and Hemsky. Edmonton has basically two #1 lines, and all of the players are 30 (Clowe and Hemsky) or younger (like really young).

SJ gets a legit young franchise forward to build around.

Dunno what the plus would be.
No plus needed. Clowe + Couture is a hell of a package for Yakupov. I would take that deal were I Edmonton.

Minimalist* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:31 PM
  #43
CanucksCupHopes*
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 258
vCash: 500
Gaunce, Edler,1st(2014)
For Yakupov, Hemskey

It won't happen but that's pretty close to the value I guess. What do you think guys?

CanucksCupHopes* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:36 PM
  #44
topchowda
Registered User
 
topchowda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 6,531
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanucksCupHopes View Post
Gaunce, Edler,1st(2014)
For Yakupov, Hemskey

It won't happen but that's pretty close to the value I guess. What do you think guys?
For Yakupov maybe. Edler has 1 year on his contract, the 1st round pick would be in the 25-30 range (hopefully not)

I would start the deal around Kesler since we need a 2 line center

topchowda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:43 PM
  #45
Yzlamic Extremist
Registered User
 
Yzlamic Extremist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,610
vCash: 629
Comparing #1 picks in the 90s to #1 picks in the 00s just does not work due to the significant difference in scouting accuracy and player development between the two eras. Yakupov will turn into a star, and has a ton of value.

Yzlamic Extremist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:50 PM
  #46
Spitsfan67*
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Windsor
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,435
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanucksCupHopes View Post
Gaunce, Edler,1st(2014)
For Yakupov, Hemskey

It won't happen but that's pretty close to the value I guess. What do you think guys?
Yakupov + hemsky
For
Sedin twins

Agh that's a little closey hey?

Spitsfan67* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:53 PM
  #47
I3ig13ig
Registered User
 
I3ig13ig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 752
vCash: 500
I like the base of the San Jose deal being discussed.



C Logan Couture
LW Ryane Clowe
2012 1st Round Selection



RW Nail Yakupov
D Brandon Davidson
4th Round Pick


Oilers get a solid 2nd line centreman and a big, tough top 6 winger. The 1st round pick, most likely to be anywhere from 14th-30th overall, is to offset some of the value for Nail. The Sharks obtain a potential elite sniper in Nail Yakupov and defensive prospect Davidson who is still a bit of a project but definitely making positive strides in his development.

I3ig13ig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 05:59 PM
  #48
TheJuxtaposer
#Shorks
 
TheJuxtaposer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 26,342
vCash: 567
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3ig13ig View Post
I like the base of the San Jose deal being discussed.



C Logan Couture
LW Ryane Clowe
2012 1st Round Selection



RW Nail Yakupov
D Brandon Davidson
4th Round Pick


Oilers get a solid 2nd line centreman and a big, tough top 6 winger. The 1st round pick, most likely to be anywhere from 14th-30th overall, is to offset some of the value for Nail. The Sharks obtain a potential elite sniper in Nail Yakupov and defensive prospect Davidson who is still a bit of a project but definitely making positive strides in his development.
Davidson and a 4th have no value to the Sharks.

For me, making a trade like LC/RC for Nail would be indicative of a re-tool in SJ. At trade like this would probably also accompany the trade of Thornton and/or Marleau and/or Boyle. So trading a first in that situation would make zero sense.

TheJuxtaposer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 06:16 PM
  #49
Spitsfan67*
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Windsor
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,435
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by I3ig13ig View Post
I like the base of the San Jose deal being discussed.



C Logan Couture
LW Ryane Clowe
2012 1st Round Selection



RW Nail Yakupov
D Brandon Davidson
4th Round Pick


Oilers get a solid 2nd line centreman and a big, tough top 6 winger. The 1st round pick, most likely to be anywhere from 14th-30th overall, is to offset some of the value for Nail. The Sharks obtain a potential elite sniper in Nail Yakupov and defensive prospect Davidson who is still a bit of a project but definitely making positive strides in his development.
Ahh I remember when people did offers like this for hall, and RNH before there first season...No Yakupov will probably be better then this deal hey maybe not but look at the last 8 years of first over all picks the majority are superstars and 2 or 3 of them are stars....

Spitsfan67* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
10-25-2012, 06:30 PM
  #50
DKQ
Generic User Title
 
DKQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Press Box
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,127
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitsfan67 View Post
Ahh I remember when people did offers like this for hall, and RNH before there first season...No Yakupov will probably be better then this deal hey maybe not but look at the last 8 years of first over all picks the majority are superstars and 2 or 3 of them are stars....
Ok let's say Yakupov does become a 40-40 player in the future, which is plausible but perhaps unlikely. In what world is have one 40-40 player better than having two 30-30 or 25-25 players, one of whom addresses a major positional need for Edmonton (#2C) and the other addresses a general team weakness (physicality). Yakupov for Couture+Clowe would be a fair deal for both sides, possibly tipped in Edmonton's favour (but that's understandable since it would obviously take an overpayment for them to trade Yakupov)

DKQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:42 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.