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10-25-2012, 05:21 PM
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Lmao, don't understand why you guys wasting time with, Holmes. If you don't think Alfredsson has been an inspiration to this team, you cray. Simply.

Go hop on Messier, arguably the most cockiest stuck up **** hockey player I have ever met.

Funny how before you were sayin Karlsson shouldn't be captain cause you seen him blow fans off, have you seen Messier?

Smh, now I'm arguing.

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10-25-2012, 05:27 PM
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Lmao, don't understand why you guys wasting time with, Holmes. If you don't think Alfredsson has been an inspiration to this team, you cray. Simply.

Go hop on Messier, arguably the most cockiest stuck up **** hockey player I have ever met.

Funny how before you were sayin Karlsson shouldn't be captain cause you seen him blow fans off, have you seen Messier?

Smh, now I'm arguing.

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10-25-2012, 05:34 PM
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These are the casualties that bother me the most about the lockout.

I'm a Leafs fan through and through, but loved watching the rivalry of Sundins Leafs and Afies Sens. Alfi was a great leader for you guys, and you haven't been given a change to give him a final farewell.

Hopefully he's able to come back one last time, and don a Sens jersey for you guys.

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10-25-2012, 06:13 PM
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You should be thanking me for giving you something to do for a day and a half.

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10-25-2012, 06:48 PM
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Newsflash, it's not just about offense, and Alfie has been more consistent in that regard anyway.
0.95 pts/g and 0.9 pts/g is a negligible difference over a that time span. And if we want to talk about consistency, Iginla has 11 consecutive 30+ goal seasons, including two 50+ goal seasons, and two 40+ goal seasons. Alfie only cracked the 40 goal mark once. You're right though, it's not just about offense, and Iginla also brought other intangibles to the table. That's why Iginla is also considered one of the best right wingers of the last decade, also evidenced by his numerous first all-star team selections.

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Sure, but he's a better comparable than Trevor Linden.

Alfie has more points in his career, he's been more consistent offensively throughout his career.

I don't care if people say Iginla is better, but not by a great degree IMO.
The Trevor Linden comparison is a joke, and Iginla is a good comparable, however the all-star team selections and major awards make Iginla the better player. By how much, that's a debate that would never end.

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Alfredsson is leagues better and more significant than Linden was.

Linden had his offensive peak in a higher scoring era and still only topped out at 80 points despite rarely missing games with injury. Despite playing all those years in a high scoring era, Linden retired without even sniffing 900 points in 1382 games; Alfredsson has over 200 more points in 200 fewer games. Linden was captain of the Canucks for 7 years, which is the second-longest in franchise history (Stan Smyl). Alfredsson has been captain of the Senators for 13 years out of the franchise's 20-year existence.

Alfredsson once finished top-5 in league scoring; Linden never came remotely close. Alfredsson has been to 6 all-star games to Linden's 2. Alfredsson made it onto the second all-star team into 2006, judged 2nd-best at his position; I guarantee you that Linden was never even in consideration, even at his best.

Linden had a brilliant playoff in 1994 but he didn't lead his team in playoff scoring; Pavel Bure did. Alfredsson by contrast, led the whole league in playoff goals in 2007, DOUBLING the total of his next closest teammate (Spezza and Heatley tie).

Alfredsson had a better career, better peak, and a more significant place in his franchise's history than Linden did. It's no comparison.

Holmie, I understand that you are annoyed by our fans tendency to deify Alfredsson. But that's no reason to undercut the man's accomplishments. He has had one of the finest overall careers of any forward of his generation, and he gave a consistent public face to an expansion team that was struggling to build a brand around a series of early first-round picks who just weren't cut out for the franchise player role.

Iginla is a different story. He's a clear-cut HHOFer while a guy like Alfie is borderline and Linden is a non-starter. The hardware alone seals the deal. His consistency has been lacking at times, but his accomplishments are undeniable. In the low-scoring 2004 season he won the Richard Trophy. True he only had 41 goals, but his next closest teammate was Shean freakin Donovan with 18.
Pretty much this.

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10-25-2012, 06:59 PM
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0.95 pts/g and 0.9 pts/g is a negligible difference over a that time span. And if we want to talk about consistency, Iginla has 11 consecutive 30+ goal seasons, including two 50+ goal seasons, and two 40+ goal seasons. Alfie only cracked the 40 goal mark once. You're right though, it's not just about offense, and Iginla also brought other intangibles to the table. That's why Iginla is also considered one of the best right wingers of the last decade, also evidenced by his numerous first all-star team selections.
Alfredsson is a much better defensive player than Iginla, even now at 40 years of age. That's much more important than whatever (made up) intangibles you think Iginla has over Alfie.

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10-25-2012, 10:06 PM
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Better defensive player, sure, but Iginla is no defensive liability either. Iginla's accomplishments speak for themselves, and at his peak he was considered one of the best players in the world. The same cannot be said about Alfie. And as pointed out quite well by Germz, Iginla is essentially a lock for the HHOF, whereas Alfredsson is a question mark.

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10-25-2012, 10:33 PM
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Better defensive player, sure, but Iginla is no defensive liability either. Iginla's accomplishments speak for themselves, and at his peak he was considered one of the best players in the world. The same cannot be said about Alfie. And as pointed out quite well by Germz, Iginla is essentially a lock for the HHOF, whereas Alfredsson is a question mark.
So Alfie is better defensively, and roughly equal offensively. Offensively, Alfie with more consistency, and Iggy with better peak (where he still carried his team absolutely nowhere).

Pretty easy decision, Alfie

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10-25-2012, 10:36 PM
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Do people watch Iginla?

In the past years the amount of floating this guy does is crazy.

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10-25-2012, 11:02 PM
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So Alfie is better defensively, and roughly equal offensively. Offensively, Alfie with more consistency, and Iggy with better peak (where he still carried his team absolutely nowhere).

Pretty easy decision, Alfie
Not roughly equal. As I said previously, Iginla has 11 consecutive seasons of 30+ goal seasons, that's damn good consistency. On top of that, Iginla has all major awards that Alfie does not with the exception of the Hart, along with three first team all-star selection. Those alone place him above Alfie. And of course, you ignored the fact that it's generally accepted that Iginla will be in the HHOF, whereas the same cannot be said about Alfie.

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Do people watch Iginla?

In the past years the amount of floating this guy does is crazy.
It's the worst kept secret around the league that the best way to get Iginla off his game is to not piss him off. Unfortunately, he's stuck with a franchise that is going nowhere now.

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10-25-2012, 11:05 PM
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Better defensive player, sure, but Iginla is no defensive liability either. Iginla's accomplishments speak for themselves, and at his peak he was considered one of the best players in the world. The same cannot be said about Alfie. And as pointed out quite well by Germz, Iginla is essentially a lock for the HHOF, whereas Alfredsson is a question mark.
Looooool, how soon people forget. In 2007 he was considered, by some, as the best all-around player in the league. Even was brought up in TSN.

Pretty sure that makes Alfredsson one of the best in the world as well.

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10-25-2012, 11:09 PM
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Not roughly equal. As I said previously, Iginla has 11 consecutive seasons of 30+ goal seasons, that's damn good consistency. On top of that, Iginla has all major awards that Alfie does not with the exception of the Hart, along with three first team all-star selection. Those alone place him above Alfie. And of course, you ignored the fact that it's generally accepted that Iginla will be in the HHOF, whereas the same cannot be said about Alfie.
No it doesn't place him above. His awards prove that he is a better goal scorer and had a better peak.

Points per game:

Alfie = 0.966
Iginla = .903

Considering Iginla's better peak, that suggests that Alfie was much much more consistent. The gap in ppg will only get bigger as Iginla ages. Alfie has had his down seasons at the end of his career, Iginla has yet to have his.


Defense is half the game. Even right now Alfie is still the best defensive forward on the Sens. Iginla is a floater and doesn't touch him.

Not a coincidence Alfie's teams regularly make the palyoffs while Iggy's don't.

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10-25-2012, 11:13 PM
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What does me being a Foligno fan have to do with being able to offer an opinion on Alfredsson??

What is wrong with calling him a great player, franchise leader in every statistical category, and a great citizen?

I dont get the God like worship either... but thats just me... if you want to start an Alfie chant after he clears the puck on a PK... go for it
The point is you worship Foligno like most Sens fans worship Alfie. You most likely like Foligno more than Alfie.

Which doesn't make any sense, which is why you shouldn't be knocking anyone if they worship Alfie like a God.

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10-26-2012, 12:21 AM
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This thread is evidence the lockout has driven Ottawa fans beyond the straight-jacket & padded room threshold.

To suggest Alfredsson isn't anything short of the franchise is bad enough, but to compare him (and not always favorably) to Iginla?

.....or is this just a cruel troll attempt?

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10-26-2012, 07:00 AM
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Over on the statistical junkie forum, a completely non-Sens fan who ran the numbers made a case that Alfie has had a hall-of-fame career; borderline, but certainly his overall numbers fit with the HHOF.

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Shame that Alfredsson's career would be over due to a lockout. Another reason I want this lockout to end.

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