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10-26-2012, 12:17 AM
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Burke and the 2012-13 lockout.

I am starting to wonder if Burke believes there will be no Hockey this year, and that he believed it when he signed players in the summer of 2011?
So many changes after this year. The team is set up for it.

He is a guy who was in the NHL head offices. He would have sources.

When he gave Connolly a 2 year deal did he know he stood a good chance he wouldn't be paying for year 2?

He has spearheaded some of the biggest issues the NHL has with the current CBA.

Did he already understand that the sides were too far apart to play this year?

How will this help the Leafs?

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10-26-2012, 12:19 AM
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I do not believe Burke planned this at all.

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I believe Burke got lucky (or unlucky if he gets fired this year since his contract is ending).

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10-26-2012, 12:25 AM
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I do not believe Burke planned this at all.
You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.

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I firmly believe Burke was aware of the scenario as a real possibility and planned for it accordingly. Listen to enough of his interviews on the cap, on financials in the league and it becomes clear, that his detractors, and those who have acted contrary were a step or two (in identifying the possibility) behind Burke and Co.

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I think you're looking too hard into things.

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I think he planned for it a little more then other GM's..... but he hasn't based his moves off the possibility there could be a lockout.

Can we end this lockout so topics like this don't pop up?

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I think he was expecting cap stuff to change, I doubt he was able to predict the lockout however. I think he signed the players with the intention of letting out prospects still develop and knowing their cap hits would be up/close to being up by the time the 2013-2014 season rolls around.

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You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.
No. All teams have players' contracts ending yearly.

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You don't think that with MacArthur, Connolly and Bozak he wasn't thiking lockout?

I remember questioning the 2nd year of Connollys deal when he signed.
If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

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I think you're looking too hard into things.
Oh yeah, I've got the microscope out.

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I think he planned for it a little more then other GM's..... but he hasn't based his moves off the possibility there could be a lockout.

Can we end this lockout so topics like this don't pop up?
No we can't. I am sorry but the lockout is not ending anytime soon.

So unfortunately as my mind wanders, into some strange places mind you, I find myself thinking of these types of things.

I do appologise if it offends you. But I do love a good conspiracy theory.

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10-26-2012, 12:38 AM
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of course he did ! he has been preaching nonstop of ridiculous contracts and having no part of them !

and..........the leafs roster would tell you !

13 0f 26 players have contracts for 2013 with 10 of them being on their final year and 3 of them only rfa

3 players are on contract for 2014 .. grabo, jvr, liles with 3 rfa

that should be a strong enough indication !

http://capgeek.com/mapleleafs/

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If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

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yup.

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Burke also created the Mayan Calendar.

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10-26-2012, 12:39 AM
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If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

/thread
why is that an issue.... it doesnt affect anything ! and like always burke respects players, and gave armstrong time to figure out his career


burke is a players gm time and time again its shown such

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I bet Burke is already planning for the next lockout.... we should sign Connolly to a deal the same length as the CBA, then we don't have to use him for the last year again! muahhaha

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No. All teams have players' contracts ending yearly.
You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?

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You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?
You are the weakest link. Goodbye

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If Burke had known the lockout was a sure thing, he wouldn't have bought Armstrong's contract out when he was going into the last year of his deal three months before the lockout.

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Really?

Armstrong is getting paid right now.

Not may other NHLers are.

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10-26-2012, 12:43 AM
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You didn't find it odd that every contract he signed in 2011 ended in 2013?
its not odd when you listen to what burkes been preaching about.... but as usual leafs fans continue not to truly hear....

nope it had to be some ridiculous other reason why burke would not sign players to inflated contracts ......

humm razors occam applies... and answer is yes he planned it

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Really?

Armstrong is getting paid right now.

Not may other NHLers are.
Okay.... that still doesn't explain a thing.

If Burke "knew" there would be a lockout, he wouldn't have bought out Army. As the final year would be gone for nothing.... Buying him out means, we will have to pay another million I believe against our cap next season as well

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of course he did ! he has been preaching nonstop of ridiculous contracts and having no part of them !

and..........the leafs roster would tell you !

13 0f 26 players have contracts for 2013 with 10 of them being on their final year and 3 of them only rfa

3 players are on contract for 2014 .. grabo, jvr, liles with 3 rfa

that should be a strong enough indication !

http://capgeek.com/mapleleafs/
So I am not the only one that sees this.

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I really doubt that Burke had some hand or anything on, but he did position himself smartly knowing that there would be a change in the CBA. I agree with others you are taking this to a level where it shouldn't be. A lot of the things he did prepare are exactly what the CBA or proposals in the CBAs have been talked about for that I praise him. However I seriously doubt his connections in the NHL from the past would be a sure thing for him to be prepared for a full lockout. Remember he's one general manger among thirty.

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Okay.... that still doesn't explain a thing.

If Burke "knew" there would be a lockout, he wouldn't have bought out Army. As the final year would be gone for nothing.... Buying him out means, we will have to pay another million I believe against our cap next season as well
you simply dont get the economics of the sport... stop

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you simply dont get the economics of the sport... stop
Oh really? care to explain?

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