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Has anyone calculated the total value of present contracts 4 each yr after this one?

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10-26-2012, 12:58 AM
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Has anyone calculated the total value of present contracts 4 each yr after this one?

On capgeek, this yr's commitmment is easy.. around 1.8 billion already..
But has anyone run the numbers for the next 2 or 3 years?

I emailed NHLnumbers, but they never got back to me.

These numbers should become common knowledge... since it has pretty significant implications for proposals going forward...

Any help help would be great!

*I'm hoping i don't have to click 30 pages on capgeek and run #'s manually..

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10-26-2012, 01:05 AM
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Hard to say when there are many expiring contracts. Something like 21% after 12-13.

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I grabbed the numbers off of capgeek a while ago and this is what I came up with:

2012-13
$1,762,282,318.00 (686 contracts)

2013-14
$1,358,624,205.00 (418 contracts)

2014-15
$885,398,776.00 (203 contracts)

2015-16
$623,756,875.00 (123 contracts)

2016-17
$389,924,000.00 (70 contracts)

2017-18
$299,994,000.00 (52 contracts)

They probably aren't 100% accurate, but most should be fairly close.

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10-26-2012, 01:14 AM
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Hard to say when there are many expiring contracts. Something like 21% after 12-13.
the hope was that someone had run the numbers since they are readily available..


ie. Canucks via capgeek:
12-13: $67.8 mil
13-14: $55.4 mil
14-15: $40.9 mil
15-16: $28.9 mil
16-17: $14.4 mil

I just haven't added up all 30 teams....

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I grabbed the numbers off of capgeek a while ago and this is what I came up with:

2012-13
$1,762,282,318.00 (686 contracts)

2013-14
$1,358,624,205.00 (418 contracts)

2014-15
$885,398,776.00 (203 contracts)

2015-16
$623,756,875.00 (123 contracts)

2016-17
$389,924,000.00 (70 contracts)

2017-18
$299,994,000.00 (52 contracts)

They probably aren't 100% accurate, but most should be fairly close.
Outstanding! thank you VERY much for the grunt work...

solid.

Edit.. i think those may be missing the last minute signings that occurred... but it definitely gives you a solid base of information... Thanks!


Also on a side.. i'm pretty happy about my prediction...
I was guessing it went 1.8, 1.5, 0.75 bil.. the next 3 yrs..

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10-26-2012, 01:18 AM
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On capgeek, this yr's commitmment is easy.. around 1.8 billion already..
But has anyone run the numbers for the next 2 or 3 years?

I emailed NHLnumbers, but they never got back to me.

These numbers should become common knowledge... since it has pretty significant implications for proposals going forward...

Any help help would be great!

*I'm hoping i don't have to click 30 pages on capgeek and run #'s manually..
I have calculated them, and as it stands...

They are currently worth $0

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I grabbed the numbers off of capgeek a while ago and this is what I came up with:

2012-13
$1,762,282,318.00 (686 contracts)

2013-14
$1,358,624,205.00 (418 contracts)


2014-15
$885,398,776.00 (203 contracts)

2015-16
$623,756,875.00 (123 contracts)

2016-17
$389,924,000.00 (70 contracts)

2017-18
$299,994,000.00 (52 contracts)

They probably aren't 100% accurate, but most should be fairly close.
12/13 I suppose will remain at the 686 contracts as the limit is pretty much hit. There aren't any players not signed are there?

Based on these figures for 2013/14 and the NHL projection that 50% will = $1.82 Bil. [($3.3 Bil +5%)= 3.468]/ 50%=1.82 Bil.

1.82-1.36 = $460 million to be divided by (700 - 418)=282 players needing to be signed for 2013/14 averages to $1.63 mil / player. A bit below the current average. Hopefully not many big $ contracts to be signed. No money$

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12/13 I suppose will remain at the 686 contracts as the limit is pretty much hit. There aren't any players not signed are there?

Based on these figures for 2013/14 and the NHL projection that 50% will = $1.82 Bil. [($3.3 Bil +5%)= 3.468]/ 50%=1.82 Bil.

1.82-1.36 = $460 million to be divided by (700 - 418)=282 players needing to be signed for 2013/14 averages to $1.63 mil / player. A bit below the current average. Hopefully not many big $ contracts to be signed. No money$
Ummmmm.... Here's a small partial list of players without contracts for 13-14:

Kulikov, Dmitry
Del Zotto, Michael
O'Reilly, Ryan
Subban, P.K.
Benn, Jamie
Palmieri, Nick
Franson, Cody



Rask, Tuukka
Gagner, Sam
Pietrangelo, Alex
Hornqvist, Patric
Stewart, Chris
Wheeler, Blake
Bogosian, Zach
Little, Bryan
Berglund, Patrik
Kennedy, Tyler
Anisimov, Artem
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
Bobrovsky, Sergei
Mueller, Peter
Kadri, Nazem
Hodgson, Cody
D'Agostini, Matt
Paajarvi, Magnus
Burmistrov, Alexander
Rundblad, David
Clutterbuck, Cal
Gunnarsson, Carl
Markstrom, Jacob
Cole, Ian
Shattenkirk, Kevin
McDonagh, Ryan
Russell, Kris
Alzner, Karl
Sauer, Michael
Bernier, Jonathan
Neuvirth, Michal
Leddy, Nick
Colborne, Joe
Boedker, Mikkel
Caron, Jordan
Peckham, Theo
Bailey, Josh
Josi, Roman
Teubert, Colten
Kruger, Marcus
Johansson, Marcus
Tanev, Chris
Hagelin, Carl
Adam, Luke
Nyquist, Gustav
Tedenby, Mattias
Hartikainen, Teemu
Smith, Brendan
Stepan, Derek
Hamonic, Travis
Nash, Riley
Clifford, Kyle
Cormier, Patrice
Henrique, Adam

Iginla, Jarome
Semin, Alexander
Timonen, Kimmo
Elias, Patrik
Backstrom, Niklas
Visnovsky, Lubomir
Gonchar, Sergei
Getzlaf, Ryan
Perry, Corey
Thomas, Tim
Ribeiro, Mike
Alfredsson, Daniel
Connolly, Tim
McDonald, Andy
Hainsey, Ron
Lupul, Joffrey
Morrow, Brenden
Streit, Mark
Bouchard, Pierre-Marc
Antropov, Nik
Regehr, Robyn
Horton, Nathan
Roy, Derek
Whitney, Ryan
Zidlicky, Marek
Zajac, Travis
Koivu, Saku
Cervenka, Roman
Clowe, Ryane
Cullen, Matt
Gagne, Simon
Ryder, Michael
Zubrus, Dainius
Scuderi, Rob
Edler, Alexander
MacArthur, Clarke
Penner, Dustin
Weiss, Stephen
Armstrong, Colby
Filppula, Valtteri
Leopold, Jordan

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Ummmmm.... Here's a small partial list of players without contracts for 13-14:

Kulikov, Dmitry
Del Zotto, Michael
O'Reilly, Ryan
Subban, P.K.
Benn, Jamie
Palmieri, Nick
Franson, Cody



Rask, Tuukka
Gagner, Sam
Pietrangelo, Alex
Hornqvist, Patric
Stewart, Chris
Wheeler, Blake
Bogosian, Zach
Little, Bryan
Berglund, Patrik
Kennedy, Tyler
Anisimov, Artem
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver
Bobrovsky, Sergei
Mueller, Peter
Kadri, Nazem
Hodgson, Cody
D'Agostini, Matt
Paajarvi, Magnus
Burmistrov, Alexander
Rundblad, David
Clutterbuck, Cal
Gunnarsson, Carl
Markstrom, Jacob
Cole, Ian
Shattenkirk, Kevin
McDonagh, Ryan
Russell, Kris
Alzner, Karl
Sauer, Michael
Bernier, Jonathan
Neuvirth, Michal
Leddy, Nick
Colborne, Joe
Boedker, Mikkel
Caron, Jordan
Peckham, Theo
Bailey, Josh
Josi, Roman
Teubert, Colten
Kruger, Marcus
Johansson, Marcus
Tanev, Chris
Hagelin, Carl
Adam, Luke
Nyquist, Gustav
Tedenby, Mattias
Hartikainen, Teemu
Smith, Brendan
Stepan, Derek
Hamonic, Travis
Nash, Riley
Clifford, Kyle
Cormier, Patrice
Henrique, Adam

Iginla, Jarome
Semin, Alexander
Timonen, Kimmo
Elias, Patrik
Backstrom, Niklas
Visnovsky, Lubomir
Gonchar, Sergei
Getzlaf, Ryan
Perry, Corey
Thomas, Tim
Ribeiro, Mike
Alfredsson, Daniel
Connolly, Tim
McDonald, Andy
Hainsey, Ron
Lupul, Joffrey
Morrow, Brenden
Streit, Mark
Bouchard, Pierre-Marc
Antropov, Nik
Regehr, Robyn
Horton, Nathan
Roy, Derek
Whitney, Ryan
Zidlicky, Marek
Zajac, Travis
Koivu, Saku
Cervenka, Roman
Clowe, Ryane
Cullen, Matt
Gagne, Simon
Ryder, Michael
Zubrus, Dainius
Scuderi, Rob
Edler, Alexander
MacArthur, Clarke
Penner, Dustin
Weiss, Stephen
Armstrong, Colby
Filppula, Valtteri
Leopold, Jordan
This is about 100 players. Definitely quite a few big names Getzlaf, Corey, Iginla, Koivu, Ribeiro, Alfredson, Semin, Edler for the older guys and then the boatload of young guns coming up-Benn, Subban, Pieterangelp, Bryan, Rask, McDonagh, Alzner, Bernier, Gagner, Berglund -too many to list them all, who will be getting paid more than the $1.6 avg. This will definitely be interesting. I guess the remaining 182 players will be lucky to get league minimum.

Plus the NHL would like to include salaries of players they keep in the AHL on one ways. Or is that off the table?


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Definitely quite a few big names who will be getting paid more than the $1.6 avg. This will definitely be interesting.

Plus the NHL would like to include salaries of players they keep in the AHL on one ways. Or is that off the table?
Is 'both' an answer? heh...

And when i say a partial list of RFA's/UFA's.. i mean partial.... like the above names are probably about 35-40% of players that were listed..

Obviously many will retire - like Whitney, Jagr, Selanne that aren't on the list... and many are AHL fodder or players that fill the 50 contracts per team at min wage... but there are many players not included that will be making more than $1.6 mil.
so yeah.. interesting is right.

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I grabbed the numbers off of capgeek a while ago and this is what I came up with:

2012-13
$1,762,282,318.00 (686 contracts)

2013-14
$1,358,624,205.00 (418 contracts)

2014-15
$885,398,776.00 (203 contracts)

2015-16
$623,756,875.00 (123 contracts)

2016-17
$389,924,000.00 (70 contracts)

2017-18
$299,994,000.00 (52 contracts)

They probably aren't 100% accurate, but most should be fairly close.
I'd say it;s probably higher than that..

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...ter-to-players

Check out the contract numbers on the last proposal

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