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10/26 - NHLPA Statement from Don Fehr

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10-26-2012, 02:01 PM
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and in 3 mins rejected..lol why bother?
How hard is it to read one page and realize it's nowhere near what you want?

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That's what I mean. Maybe the players are ok dragging this on forever as long as he takes the fall.
you know what? Bettmen has 3 work stoppage under his belt..right?"


At some point in time you got to address the root cause.....


I do believe Fehr will accomplish that.....even if we get pain , it will save pain later down road in 5 10 15 years etc...

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So the NHLPA felt the NHL were only willing to negotiate one aspect of their proposal. The NHLPa was unwilling to do so. Thus they stood by their beliefs so that all aspects of the CBA are once more open.

Shouldn't I be congratulating the NHLPA? Why is he so somber?

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Time to lock it up.


Throw the gloves right off now,go for the salary cap .

No more dancing with NHL

Why wait, we all know NHL's next offer is going to be lower......


Go now ..
If the PA even hint at anything close to removing the cap. We will be talking armageddon.

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and in 3 mins rejected..lol why bother?
Well if you can't bring a legit 50/50 proposal to the table that doesn't rely on accounting tricks, 3 minutes is generous.

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How hard is it to read one page and realize it's nowhere near what you want?
I think it was 2 proposals on 1 page even.

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How hard is it to read one page and realize it's nowhere near what you want?
it is called negotiation .... NOT give us what we want OR ELSE.....

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Fehr is even dislikeable when trying to play the victim...

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you know what? Bettmen has 3 work stoppage under his belt..right?"


At some point in time you got to address the root cause.....


I do believe Fehr will accomplish that.....even if we get pain , it will save pain later down road in 5 10 15 years etc...
I always felt Bettman would step down after this, but not for at least a year or so. Then it seems like it wasn't lockout related.

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If the PA even hint at anything close to removing the cap. We will be talking Armageddon.
It has already been hinted long agooo...

Now when this next offer of NHL comes out at around 46%-47 ,

watch Armageddon live...

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.
there is no more 50/50....that is gone....

So war next.

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oh no, the poor billionaires aren't able to push around the players...
You really want a league where 4 rich teams price player salaries out I the reach of the rest of the league?

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How hard is it to read one page and realize it's nowhere near what you want?

Okay, ten minutes.

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If the PA even hint at anything close to removing the cap. We will be talking armageddon.
I'm 100% confident when I say the NHL will not play without a cap again. At least not with current economics. The NHL would rather lock the players out forever then play without a cap

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You really want a league where 4 rich teams price player salaries out I the reach of the rest of the league?

False premise. That isn't the only option. Not that the owners' last ultimatum did much to protect the weak teams. A relocation and a bankruptcy.

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What? I thought it was an artificial deadline?
Certain things in the agreement, specifically related to the make whole stuff, relied on an 82 game regular season this year.

Now that 82 games is off the table the NHL isn't going to leave the same, now outdated proposal on the table. I'd imagine virtually all of the provisions are still available to be negotiated, it's just the packaged deal is removed because it simply doesn't make sense any more.

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and in 3 mins rejected..lol why bother?
All of the PA's proposals so far have been a re-worded versions of the same one. The one where the players get roughly 57% and nothing less. Any intelligent person should see that.


Someone should tell Mr Fehr that he should stop fighting the PR war, he's already lost

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.
Huh...that isn't possible...players would lose a ton of $ in escrow. Spending on player salaries would end up being WAY MORE than 50% of HRR.

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you know what? Bettmen has 3 work stoppage under his belt..right?"


At some point in time you got to address the root cause.....


I do believe Fehr will accomplish that.....even if we get pain , it will save pain later down road in 5 10 15 years etc...
Wait, you really think Fehr and the players are doing this to solve the root cause?

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False premise. That isn't the only option. Not that the owners' last ultimatum did much to protect the weak teams. A relocation and a bankruptcy.
The relocation had more to do with an ownership group (ASG) that didn't want nor care.

As for the bankruptcy, no CBA could have prevented a franchise from failing in Glendale.

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.
Very much doubt it. Fundamentally the PA's "honor all contracts" proposals simply boil down to not 50/50.

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.
So would the entire fields of mathematics and accounting.

The NHL does not generate enough revenue to 'honor' (by the NHLPA's definition) all existing contracts out of 50% of revenue. The "make whole" provision only existed to try to bridge the gap between "Honored contracts" and "50%". If you take away "make whole", then how do you bridge the gap?

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False premise. That isn't the only option. Not that the owners' last ultimatum did much to protect the weak teams. A relocation and a bankruptcy.
And without the last CBA, there would have been many more relocations and bankruptcies (my team being one of them...)

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If the NHLPA came back with 50-50 and honor all contracts without the "make whole", then I bet this thing would be done right now.
Given that existing contracts equal ~54% of revenue (I believe I remember that correctly, someone step in if I'm wrong), I don't think it would be done.

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What I've gathered from all this is that the NHL needs to pretend to be reading over all proposals for approximately 24 hours before rejecting them.

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