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Ovi can't even light up the KHL, can we finally admit that he's past his prime?

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10-27-2012, 01:47 PM
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Interesting. Being a PPG makes you past your prime.

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10-27-2012, 02:17 PM
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Interesting. Being a PPG makes you past your prime.
How people dont get this? Prime=a time a player is at his best at what they do. And he isnt even close to being what he once was.He is past his prime and its extremely clear.Does not mean he is not a good player.

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10-27-2012, 02:20 PM
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Ovechkin was never on a Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos level to begin with. He had one great season and a bunch of good ones, with a very mediocre one last year. Johnathan Cheechoo also had one great season.

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10-27-2012, 02:23 PM
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Ovi can't even light up the KHL, can we finally admit that he's past his prime?
yep, you can
if serious i find it laughable when i see him mentioned in one sentence with crosby and geno, amen

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10-27-2012, 02:28 PM
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Ovechkin was never on a Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos level to begin with. He had one great season and a bunch of good ones, with a very mediocre one last year. Johnathan Cheechoo also had one great season.
Ummmmmmmmm.

How is Stamkos on a higher level than Ovechkin? If Ovie had one great and a bunch of good ones, Stamkos has had one great and one good. Come on.

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10-27-2012, 02:36 PM
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I mean, he scored 65 ****ing goals once.Now he scores under 40. He once scored 50 like it was stealing candy from a kid him. Now he doesent even reach 50. Its very clear that he is wayyy past his prime.

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10-27-2012, 02:42 PM
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I mean, he scored 65 ****ing goals once.Now he scores under 40. He once scored 50 like it was stealing candy from a kid him. Now he doesent even reach 50. Its very clear that he is wayyy past his prime.
I'm impressed he even reached 38 last season playing in that system. Good lord, it was so amazingly stupid to try to get that offensive powerhouse to win games 1-0. Dump, chase, lose puck, collapse in front of own net, repeat x infinity. The Caps had an incredible thing going when the offensive was let loose. If not for Halak standing on his head impersonating Hasek combined with Roy, who knows what could've happened?

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10-27-2012, 03:00 PM
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I mean, he scored 65 ****ing goals once.Now he scores under 40. He once scored 50 like it was stealing candy from a kid him. Now he doesent even reach 50. Its very clear that he is wayyy past his prime.
I consider him post-peak but still in his prime. How many examples can you name of a player finishing 7th in points/5th in goals (or better), in a non-prime season? Obviously the usual supsects: Gretzky, Lemieux and Howe. Who else? The Hulls maybe? Selanne perhaps. And all these guys were in at-least their mid-thirties.

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10-27-2012, 03:21 PM
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Maybe it means the KHL isn't as bush league as you are clinging on too?

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10-27-2012, 03:33 PM
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Yeah, past he's peak but still in he's prime. That's the way I see it.

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10-27-2012, 03:38 PM
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The only reason why so many repetivite threads saying Ovechkin is past his prime is because this is mainly a forum where there is a canadian majority.

Hockey players are people and shouldn't be disregarded based on ethinicity or nationality.

Why don't people bring up that Ovie was 4th in goals with a 40 GPG average this last season and that he was the leader in PPG for 3 years straight, and was a finalist for the Lindsay Trophy in his Rookie Season and has more Individual Awards (the Gold standard of accomplishments) than anyone in the league?

Why doesn't someone make a "Crosby is past his prime in Goal Scoring Prime" thread by that bias notion? For the 2011-12 NHL Season Ovechkin > Crosby in goal scoring on one of the most defensive systems in the League (like Kovalchuk)

Crosbys goals have never been as spectacular as Ovie's. KHL is an amazing league like the NHL


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10-27-2012, 03:55 PM
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How people dont get this? Prime=a time a player is at his best at what they do. And he isnt even close to being what he once was.He is past his prime and its extremely clear.Does not mean he is not a good player.
You are confusing prime and peak.

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10-27-2012, 04:02 PM
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He's not past his prime. He was in excellent shape and peaked at a young age because he hasn't kept up his fitness levels. That doesn't mean he couldn't be the best again if he got back into top shape, it just means he's not playing as well due to his lack of fitness.

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Maybe it means the KHL isn't as bush league as you are clinging on too?
If a European player isn't doing as well as expected in the KHL, it's because they're not good anymore.

If a North American player isn't doing as well as expected in the KHL, it's because they're taking it easy and waiting for the lockout to end.

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10-27-2012, 04:17 PM
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Pretty much.

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I'd still take him on my team

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He's not past his prime. He was in excellent shape and peaked at a young age because he hasn't kept up his fitness levels. That doesn't mean he couldn't be the best again if he got back into top shape, it just means he's not playing as well due to his lack of fitness.
That could be part of it but historically players goal totals start dropping off after 25 years old (obviously there's exceptions)

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Ovechkin was never on a Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos level to begin with. He had one great season and a bunch of good ones, with a very mediocre one last year. Johnathan Cheechoo also had one great season.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p....php?pid=63735

Aside from his last 2 NHL seasons find me a season which was just "good"

hell, his 2nd season which was his sophomore season he still put up 46 + 46. Lots of 2nd year players fall down a peg. He still put up tremendous numbers.

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10-27-2012, 04:28 PM
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I'm impressed he even reached 38 last season playing in that system. Good lord, it was so amazingly stupid to try to get that offensive powerhouse to win games 1-0. Dump, chase, lose puck, collapse in front of own net, repeat x infinity. The Caps had an incredible thing going when the offensive was let loose. If not for Halak standing on his head impersonating Hasek combined with Roy, who knows what could've happened?
I'm glad there's someone in this thread who watched us and didn't just look at the stat sheet... couldn't agree more with this post.

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10-27-2012, 05:01 PM
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How people dont get this? Prime=a time a player is at his best at what they do. And he isnt even close to being what he once was.He is past his prime and its extremely clear.Does not mean he is not a good player.
I believe the word you are looking for is peak rather than prime.

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10-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Ovechkin: 13GP 6G 8A 14PTS (On 1 of the best teams in the league)
Malkin: 13GP 5G 12A 17PTS (On a bubble Team)
Kovy: 11GP 7G 13A 20PTS +12
Radulov: 19Gp 8G 16A 24PTS

I'm not saying that Ovi sucks, I'm just saying that he's clearly a shadow of his former self. Prime Ovi would have about 11 goals right now.
Why do people feel needs to make threads like this? Do you need some kind of personal vindication? Need to see that people agree? Just want to Ovy bash without getting a thread closed?

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10-27-2012, 05:17 PM
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While ovechkin has certainly not put up the numbers he once did, its not fair to judge him in a vaccum.

If you look at that the team as a whole they were incredible , and were a nightmare to stop on offense. Backstrom, green, semin, are not what they once were and ovie has suffered because of it.

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10-27-2012, 05:31 PM
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I think there is a difference between being physically "past your prime" and being statistically "past your prime". I would think that a 27 year old sniper would still be in his prime physically, but for whatever reasons they seem to be entering a different stage of statistical production at that age.

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Ovechkin was never on a Crosby/Malkin/Stamkos level to begin with. He had one great season and a bunch of good ones, with a very mediocre one last year. Johnathan Cheechoo also had one great season.
Rookie year: Ovechkin (52/54/106) vs. Stamkos (23/23/46)
2nd year: Ovechkin (46/46/92) vs. Stamkos (51/44/95)
3rd year: Ovechkin (65/47/112) vs. Stamkos (45/46/91)
4th year: Ovechkin (56/54/110) vs. Stamkos (60/37/97)

Ovechkin averaged 54.75 goals per season his first four seasons. Stamkos averaged 44.75.
Ovechkin averaged 105 points per season his first four seasons. Stamkos averaged 82.25.

In what Canadian-centric universe was Ovechkin never on Stamkos' level? And the three other 100+ point seasons besides his 65-goal campaign were just "good"?

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I find it a little shortsighted to use his last 2 seasons as a proof of his decline. It might be true but considering context (WSH changing their game plan and philosophy) it's not the only possible explanation.

For example his 2010/11 season. It's true he had only (by his standarts) 85 points. But he was also only 1 point behind in ES points (in 3 less games). His (lower than usual) scoring total was caused by his pretty low PP numbers. You can attribute it to his decline but then you look at WSH powerplay that season (22nd in the league in PPG, 28th in the league in PP opportunities) and you wonder. And he was actually leading the team in PP points.

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