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How many times have leagues contracted when there wasn't a World War going on? Once?
The last NFL contraction was in '51. I don't think MLB has contracted since the Great Depression. The NBA's last contraction was in '54. The NHL folded the Cleveland Barons in '78. That's about it. All other post-1950s contractions have one thing in common: They happened in leagues that went under ie ABA, WHA, USFL.
as far as time zones and divisions go... look at winnipeg they are a Western time zone like edmonton and such but they put that team in a eastern time zone in southeast... if Hamilton got a team i would be happy in any division pacific or what ever division dont matter to me as long as we got a team
as far as time zones and divisions go... look at winnipeg they are a Western time zone like edmonton and such but they put that team in a eastern time zone in southeast... if Hamilton got a team i would be happy in any division pacific or what ever division dont matter to me as long as we got a team
I was just trying to throw the idea out there. It doesn't have to be those teams exactly.
My next idea is to give up with the NHL until bettman is gone.
Can I roll my eyes now? Bettman isn't the issue. If Bettman disappeared tomorrow the Board Of Governors would just replace him with someone else to do their bidding. Want to give up the NHL until the BOG disappears? Never going to happen. As long as there are professional sports teams there will be owners owning those teams.
The last NFL contraction was in '51. I don't think MLB has contracted since the Great Depression. The NBA's last contraction was in '54. The NHL folded the Cleveland Barons in '78. That's about it. All other post-1950s contractions have one thing in common: They happened in leagues that went under ie ABA, WHA, USFL.
I think the MLB went very close to contract in 2001 or so (Montreal and Minnesota), but Minnesota Twins were forced to play at their stadium for a certain period of time, which prevented them from being able to fold.
I think the MLB went very close to contract in 2001 or so (Montreal and Minnesota), but Minnesota Twins were forced to play at their stadium for a certain period of time, which prevented them from being able to fold.
MLB would have relocated the Twins just like they did the Expos. There was no chance at all of those teams being contracted.
as far as time zones and divisions go... look at winnipeg they are a Western time zone like edmonton and such but they put that team in a eastern time zone in southeast... if Hamilton got a team i would be happy in any division pacific or what ever division dont matter to me as long as we got a team
Winnipeg is not in the Western Time Zone. They are in the same time zone as cities like Dallas, St. Louis, Chicago and Nashville.
I think the MLB went very close to contract in 2001 or so (Montreal and Minnesota), but Minnesota Twins were forced to play at their stadium for a certain period of time, which prevented them from being able to fold.
That was two owners trying to get a huge cash windfall from MLB and their other owners; one because he was satan and running Montreal into the ground, and the other trying to get a new stadium.
my bad i was thinking of geoph for a second like as in manitoba near sask and alberta thats why i thought west for a second my mistake
Not to mention that Winnipeg is some 1100 miles/1700km from Vancouver. Its closer to Toronto (950 miles/1500km) than it is Vancouver. From my perspective on the west coast, Winnipeg is not west at all, but central or even east.
1. Saskatoon (I assumed that's what you meant) cannot support an NHL franchise
2. How on earth does that look inevitable?
Actually I disagree on your first point. Sask is booming with the tar sands etc etc and would be a draw for the entire province. I know it's not an ideal urban center but Im thinking along the lines of Green Bay in the NFL. Plus would be a healthy rivalry with Calgary and Edmonton being a road trip away.
Actually I disagree on your first point. Sask is booming with the tar sands etc etc and would be a draw for the entire province. I know it's not an ideal urban center but Im thinking along the lines of Green Bay in the NFL. Plus would be a healthy rivalry with Calgary and Edmonton being a road trip away.
Green Bay has Milwaukee relatively close by to draw from. Saskatoon is out in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have a fraction of Milwaukee's population.
The last NFL contraction was in '51. I don't think MLB has contracted since the Great Depression. The NBA's last contraction was in '54. The NHL folded the Cleveland Barons in '78. That's about it. All other post-1950s contractions have one thing in common: They happened in leagues that went under ie ABA, WHA, USFL.
Also depends on how low down on the scale you want to go with leagues. MLS contracted by withdrawing from florida a while back and there was the nutty CFL experiment in the States...
Also depends on how low down on the scale you want to go with leagues. MLS contracted by withdrawing from florida a while back and there was the nutty CFL experiment in the States...
Both are minor leagues. I personally follow the CFL but I'm damn near the only person I know who does.....and that includes my Canadian friends. As for MSL, soccer is never going to have much more than a cult following in the US.
Both are minor leagues. I personally follow the CFL but I'm damn near the only person I know who does.....and that includes my Canadian friends. As for MSL, soccer is never going to have much more than a cult following in the US.
Both are minor leagues. I personally follow the CFL but I'm damn near the only person I know who does.....and that includes my Canadian friends. As for MSL, soccer is never going to have much more than a cult following in the US.
I follow both the CFL and canadian University football (Go R&O)
I'm really calling a lot of doubt on this one: no way is the NHL expanding to 32 teams anytime soon (another southern team will move to Canada before that ever happens). Another team in Toronto seems to have become the popular rumor to be kicked around on a slow news day: I can't imagine anyone wanting to have a team in the same city as the Leafs. Yeah, the Leafs have the longest running active drought at the moment but no way are its fans going to throw away what is essentially family loyalty for what could be seen as an upstart. Quebec, though, I can see happening but not via expansion but through another team move like I mentioned.
Green Bay has Milwaukee relatively close by to draw from. Saskatoon is out in the middle of nowhere and doesn't have a fraction of Milwaukee's population.
Saskatchewan as a whole is still some 700,000 short of Milwaukee. Then as has been said ad nasuseum on here, there's a big difference between 8 or 9 football games, mostly on the weekend during the afternoon, than 41 hockey games for a population.
Saskatchewan is not at all suitable for an NHL team under the current structure of the league.
Saskatchewan as a whole is still some 700,000 short of Milwaukee. Then as has been said ad nasuseum on here, there's a big difference between 8 or 9 football games, mostly on the weekend during the afternoon, than 41 hockey games for a population.
Saskatchewan is not at all suitable for an NHL team under the current structure of the league.
Saskatoon might be more profitable than the Phoenix franchise. Then again, Phoenix should by no means be the benchmark for success.
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What can I say? 
