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The Official New Arena Thread: Part 5

View Poll Results: Which Possible Perceptions Of Edmonton Based On The New Arena Matter To You?
Making Edmonton more of a tourist attraction 38 27.94%
Making Edmonton seem more business friendly 39 28.68%
Making Edmonton seem more modern 81 59.56%
Making Edmonton seem like it has more to offer than industry 56 41.18%
I don't give a damn what people outside of our city think, we pay the bills 18 13.24%
It's a hockey and entertainment arena, it won't change the city much/or at all 34 25.00%
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10-27-2012, 10:31 PM
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True, but why have Southern Ontario, Quebec, or both when you can have all 3 within 5 years?
The fact that the NHL is dreaming about the possibility of 32 teams is... sad.

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The fact that the NHL is dreaming about the possibility of 32 teams is... sad.
I honestly think they are just dreaming of the $ that come with expansion.

I get the feeling the ideal scenario is still 30 teams, perhaps they just don't want to let 2 teams fail, have dispersal drafts, and then expand to Ontario and Quebec?

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I actually want Katz to make a crapload of money from this. Because if that happens, chances are it will be hand in hand with development and the city will be making a good coin as well. Win-win. The problem as I see it, is that Katz keeps moving the goalposts around. I have no problem with him being a successful businessman and being successful in this venture as well, but he needs to come to the table, compromise and nail some things down and get a deal done. Normally, I harp at our city council and up until a few weeks ago, I was in Katz's corner. But I haven't enjoyed hearing of the heavy handed moves he's been making lately, and it's soured my opinion on the way he's handled this. I'm hoping he comes around.
Pretty much my feelings to a tee.

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My guess is there was an "implied understanding" that the new arena might be allowed a casino license, especially since Katz donated a freaking half million dollars to the PCs.

Give the man a casino license and lets get this going, this is too important of a project for Edmonton, the downtown core, and Alberta in general to be held up by an arbitrary moratorium on casino licenses.

They can make an exception in this case, this is not just any type of construction project. This is a way to get this huge project done and it keeps the tax payer out of it. I have no problem with it.
I'm sorry but you've made several statements on Katz and the Casino liscense and they all deserve a negative response.

To start off the public reveal of Katz's political donations have ensured that the chance of Katz ever getting a Casino liscense is ZERO. Let me repeat that, ZERO, its a non-starter that this PC governement will ever do anything than ever remotely resembles a quid pro quo. He won't be able to get a free lunch on an MP let alone a casino liscense

What in high hell has the Katz group or the Oilers done to deserve a Casino liscense?

Just because Pittsburg got one isn't a valid response. Pittsburg plays in sports city with numerous other legitimate competitors for its sporting dollar and has a gross household income of around 50K.

Edmonton plays in a city where it essentially has the sports/entertainment dollar to itself and has one of the highest per houshold GDP's in metro North America at around 85K.

The idea tha Katz gets to cherry pick the most favourable parts of funding models from all over the NHL is fairyland and you need to quit sprinkling his dust.

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I'm sorry but you've made several statements on Katz and the Casino liscense and they all deserve a negative response.

To start off the public reveal of Katz's political donations have ensured that the chance of Katz ever getting a Casino liscense is ZERO. Let me repeat that, ZERO, its a non-starter that this PC governement will ever do anything than ever remotely resembles a quid pro quo. He won't be able to get a free lunch on an MP let alone a casino liscense

What in high hell has the Katz group or the Oilers done to deserve a Casino liscense?

Just because Pittsburg got one isn't a valid response. Pittsburg plays in sports city with numerous other legitimate competitors for its sporting dollar and has a gross household income of around 50K.

Edmonton plays in a city where it essentially has the sports/entertainment dollar to itself and has one of the highest per houshold GDP's in metro North America at around 85K.

The idea tha Katz gets to cherry pick the most favourable parts of funding models from all over the NHL is fairyland and you need to quit sprinkling his dust.
Who does it hurt to give the Oilers/Katz a gaming license? The taxpayer? No.

And yes, Edmonton is not Pittsburgh. Edmonton couldn't possibly have troubles with an NHL franchises in the span of 35 years ... because every year since 1979 has gone swimmingly right?

Yeah ... uh, how about no. Some of us remember the early-mid 1990s. What happens when the salary cap is $90 million? What happens if Edmonton's economy is no longer one of the highest in North America? What happens if the Canadian dollar drops to 65 cents again? None of this could possibly happen, right?

When you're making an arena deal for 35 years, I don't blame Katz one bit for trying to get the best possible deal. Economic conditions can change a lot in 10 years. 20 years. 30 years. Anyone who's looked at the overall history of the Oilers knows that there have been wild swings in the economic stability of the franchise at one point they were basically hours away from being sold to Houston.

Where was our mighty economy and can't fail hockey fanbase when we had to say goodbye to Doug Weight ... and Bill Guerin ... and Curtis Joesph ... and Jari Kurri etc. etc. etc. because we didn't have the money to retain them?

I haven't heard any credible reason why the Oilers can't have a gaming license other than "well we're not Pittsburgh or Winnipeg". Yeah ... and? Why shouldn't the Oilers have a very good deal? Who is really being hurt if the Oilers have a gaming license? How many bars/pubs/arena staff are helped by the Oilers? How many businesses in that downtown core would love to have 18500 people down there 41+ nights a year they wouldn't be otherwise?

Do I get a cookie for "sticking it to Katz"? What do I gain with the Oilers not having a gaming license?


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Limit folks.. let's get a new thread and please be civil.

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