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The NHL approaching uncharted territory

View Poll Results: As a result of this year, will the NHL have more or less support in the near future?
More 8 4.82%
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10-27-2012, 11:33 AM
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If the Canucks are on TV again will I watch? I won't pretend that I'm finished with the NHL, but what this lockout has done has changed me from a glass half full to a half empty fan. Where I used to root for the success of the league I'm now feeling like I can throw my hands in the air and stoically say, "what do you expect from the NHL." The love is gone, and now we're just together because there is nobody else.

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10-27-2012, 11:58 AM
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As a Canucks fan in canada, I am one of those who are expected to come crawling back under any circumstances. I say to Bettman and Fehr ******* you. For every game that they cancel I will ignore one game when the league finally (if ever) starts back up. The fact that a deal is not signed at this point is pure insanity. Lots of blame to go around on both sides, and honestly I don't care who is right or wrong. At some point they are going to have to step back and ask themselves 'is this right?'. If a die hard like me can become so pissed off that they are willing to cut out a big part of their life what can that say about the rest of the market?

Honestly, at least in 04-05 we knew the endgame. This time around its a crapshoot.
How does what you do punish the players? It doesn't.

What you're suggesting would only punish the owners and would do nothing to the players. If you're really on no one's side you wouldn't suggest such a one sided punishment. Either come up with something better or your clearly on the dumb greedy players side.

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10-27-2012, 12:09 PM
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The love is gone, and now we're just together because there is nobody else.
... well my friend, as your handle Karl Hungus references an Austrian Porn Star
from the movie The Big Lebowski, what does love have to do with it? Embrace nihilism.

great avy as well btw...

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10-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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The diehards will be back but the bandwagon/fringe fans are probably gone.
Sadly the newer fans who developed some interest when a team like the Coyotes made the playoffs & made a run as far as the WCF will lose that interest.

Both sides are shooting themselves in the foot if they are basing their proposals on continued revenue growth while taking away the product from areas with new growth. Momentum is lost & the greed leaves a bad taste in most fans (old & new) mouth.

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10-27-2012, 01:01 PM
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As a hockey fan I will come back.

Most canadians I know couldn't care less about hockey.
Must be from provinces that don't have an NHL team. Although I do know Canadians that don't care about hockey, I know more that do.

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10-27-2012, 01:20 PM
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I look seeing the NHL fold up and the players going to the KHL and make 1/10th of what they currently make. That will show those greedy NHL owners...............

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10-27-2012, 01:24 PM
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the least stable of the NA leagues for sure...especially if they lose another season

what kind of business wants to be a part of a league that shuts down every 8 years?

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10-27-2012, 04:50 PM
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As a hockey fan I will come back.

Most canadians I know couldn't care less about hockey.
Not sure how many Canadians you know but the city of Winnipeg is one step away from being in a state of mourning over the possibility of losing a full season.

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I think a lot of the work advertising and marketing the game in places where they are trying to grow the game is going to be a big loss. Anyone who might have become interested recently will lose that interest and go back to the more popular sports.

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10-27-2012, 06:09 PM
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The diehards will be back but the bandwagon/fringe fans are probably gone.
Sadly the newer fans who developed some interest when a team like the Coyotes made the playoffs & made a run as far as the WCF will lose that interest.
What about the long time die hard fans who have been transformed into long time jaded fans? I feel that the NHL is secure in their ability to turn a quarterly profit once the lockout is resolved but at the same time they are poisoning the well to a degree. I think the fans have been overlooked and taken for granted once again. Twice in my young life time has me rapidly approaching the threshold of **** it.

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10-27-2012, 07:55 PM
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If the NHL doesn't implode, I'll come back... I'll even give it a look if they bring in replacement players... However, I'd speculate that all hockey fans wouldn't react the same way...
This, except for the replacement players. Can't even begin to fathom how it would work contractually with those current NHLPA players who would come back. However, I still cannot believe Little Napoleon has the full 100% support of all 30 owners- that just doesn't make any sense to me- just as Donald Fehr surely doesn't have the full 100% support of all 730 players. Unfortunately, I read earlier that there's no apparent end game on either side but, if the NHL keeps playing Russian Roulette with itself, the end game will just be a big implosion and rebuild into something far different than what was earlier. As I've said before, bring in an economically viable alternative league and we wouldn't be discussing this.

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10-27-2012, 10:50 PM
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As a canadian I will come back. Fair weather fans will always be fair weather fans. Hockey fans are unique fans and we always come back. We are glutten for punishment
I had such a blast watching the Knights play the Otters last week on NHL.net. If I was in Canada I would completely shun the NHL and stick to watching the CHL.

Im surprised more Canucks dont follow this line of thinking.

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10-28-2012, 08:49 AM
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Less. Who wants to get into a sport where there's going to be a labour disruption every few seasons?

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10-28-2012, 09:13 AM
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at one time yes... but the KHL is now a serious contender for talent, any if they decide to expand to NA and the pay is better ???? and I believe I heard a scenario where they can get themselves based out of russia and get half their salary tax free and declare the rest here.
The KHL play cross-pacific games...

Hahahaha.


http://rt.com/news/prime-time/russia...dangerous-259/

"With nine air tragedies in 2011 alone, RUSSIA NOW RANKS AS ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES FOR AIR PASSENGERS IN THE WORLD.

This is according to a survey taken by Ascend, a London aviation consultancy, the Wall Street Journal reported.

The UK specialists say that in 2011, Russia’s airlines performed worse than those of Congo and Indonesia – developing countries facing regular safety issues. "

Good luck with convincing top players to do that every week.

And you also must not realize that the cap in the khl is roughly 36 mil usd, and while teams can exceed it for a Russian national player, most teams dont have the resources to come anywhere near that number.

http://www.theprovince.com/mobile/story.html?id=7409708
"The KHL is not a realistic business project,” said Roman Belyaev, marketing manager for Metallurg Novokuznetsk, based in a city of 600,000 people tucked away in central Siberia. “There are only four or five good businesses in the whole league.”

Among the few teams that may break even are Dynamo Riga, Lev Praha and Locomotiv Yaroslavl. The league has a salary cap of $36 million that is sometimes broken, and that does not include the salaries of returning NHLers. While Dynamo Moscow, Metallurg Magnitogorsk and CKA St. Petersburg, where sniper Ilya Kovalchuk of the New Jersey Devils is currently employed, have payrolls of $50 million or $60 million a year, the revenues for the entire season for Novokuznetsk will be about $1 million. The team is so impoverished that its general manager, Leon Vaysfeld, for years a scout for the Toronto Maple Leafs, admitted he only gets a little more than halfway to the KHL’s cap floor of $8 million a year. So some teams have at least 10 times more money to spend on players than he does. The shortfall of $4 million is picked up by the local steel plant.
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