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Getzlaf and/or Perry as rentals.

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10-27-2012, 11:49 PM
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how did Hossa not get that?
1st rounder - check
Top 6 - not check. Armstrong = 3rd liner
top prospect - not check. Esposito was a B prospect at best, at that time looked like a likely bust

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10-27-2012, 11:50 PM
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Getting a player like Perry should be higher priority than the draft don't you think?
Definitely, but why not have both? I mean, all I'm saying is that I'd want us to be able to find a replacement pick somewhere if we did that. I would still do it, though(providing he's willing to sign long term with us, of course)

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10-27-2012, 11:51 PM
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1st rounder - check
Top 6 - not check. Armstrong = 3rd liner
top prospect - not check. Esposito was a B prospect at best, at that time looked like a likely bust
So what you're saying is Raymond, Schroeder, 1st?

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10-27-2012, 11:52 PM
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When was the last time someone like Perry was traded as a rental? It doesnt happen very much
Look at what Hossa got Atlanta and tell me the trade I proposed isn't better.

Other trade I'd consider is Edler for Perry straight up if neither want to resign with their original clubs.

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10-27-2012, 11:53 PM
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Definitely, but why not have both? I mean, all I'm saying is that I'd want us to be able to find a replacement pick somewhere if we did that. I would still do it, though(providing he's willing to sign long term with us, of course)
You can't have both because you're suppose to beef up now and try for the cup, then suck when the Avs are ready to compete

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10-27-2012, 11:53 PM
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Armstrong had 34 points and 24 points in his two seasons before the trade. 3rd liner.

Esposito went 20th overall, hardly blue chip. He had declined in his draft year. then he continued the decline in the year he was traded to ATL. He did not hold much value at all.

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10-27-2012, 11:54 PM
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Look at what Hossa got Atlanta and tell me the trade I proposed isn't better.

Other trade I'd consider is Edler for Perry straight up if neither want to resign with their original clubs.
wow you are looking at how that trade turned out, how about looking at how it was percieved when it happened???

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10-27-2012, 11:57 PM
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wow you are looking at how that trade turned out, how about looking at how it was percieved when it happened???
post #31. Armstrong was a clear cut 3rd liner.
Esposito was not considered a great prospect at all.

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wow you are looking at how that trade turned out, how about looking at how it was percieved when it happened???
Are you honestly telling me you thought Dupis + Armstrong + B-C prospect + 1st was a good deal at the time? Terrible value both then and now. I'm willing to bet it would've been a lot higher if other GMs knew what was on the table.

Terrible deal then, terrible deal now.

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Are you honestly telling me you thought Dupis + Armstrong + B-C prospect + 1st was a good deal at the time? Terrible value both then and now. I'm willing to bet it would've been a lot higher if other GMs knew what was on the table.

Terrible deal then, terrible deal now.
Esposito was the Penguins top prospect, the deal included a first rounder, yes Armstrong was a 3rd liner.

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10-28-2012, 12:15 AM
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Esposito was the Penguins top prospect, the deal included a first rounder, yes Armstrong was a 3rd liner.
So by your own omission then the value of Perry should be Raymond + Schroder + 1st + B prospect

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10-28-2012, 01:39 AM
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wow you are looking at how that trade turned out, how about looking at how it was percieved when it happened???
It was still the best ATL could get...

Based on the packages for Hossa and Kovy, from Vancouver..

For both:
- 2 x 1sts (assuming we get a 1st as part of the package for Luongo)
-Raymond + Hansen
-Gaunce + Jensen
-Ballard
-Conditional 1st dependant on SCF appearance

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10-28-2012, 01:50 AM
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It was still the best ATL could get...

Based on the packages for Hossa and Kovy, from Vancouver..

For both:
- 2 x 1sts (assuming we get a 1st as part of the package for Luongo)
-Raymond + Hansen
-Gaunce + Jensen
-Ballard
-Conditional 1st dependant on SCF appearance
As much as I'd like both, I don't see any way in heck it would happen capwise. Better to stick with one, I think.

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10-28-2012, 01:58 AM
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I think Kovalchuk is a good baseline for a Corey Perry trade.

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how did Hossa not get that?

Armstrong was a top 9 foward at the time, and Esposito was a very good prospect at the time, not the same but close
Well was there any top 6 forwards?

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10-28-2012, 02:14 AM
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As much as I'd like both, I don't see any way in heck it would happen capwise. Better to stick with one, I think.
Depends how old cap hits are treated. Assuming that things what the same.

Luongo 5.3 + Ballard 4.2 + Raymond 2.3 + Hansen 1.4

Would cover Perry and Getzlaf's 5.3 each plus replacements of vacant shoots at near the minimum.

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10-28-2012, 02:19 AM
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Depends how old cap hits are treated. Assuming that things what the same.

Luongo 5.3 + Ballard 4.2 + Raymond 2.3 + Hansen 1.4

Would cover Perry and Getzlaf's 5.3 each plus replacements of vacant shoots at near the minimum.
For this season, not the next. And if you think Perry and Getzlaf will re-sign for 5.3 mil.

I'd rather splurge for one with intent to keep him long-term. Perry for 3 1sts, then re-sign him for 5 years at 6 mil per(assuming the CBA lowers the cap and limits to five years, or else I'd offer a better contract).

Trade Luongo for a 1st+ to pick up some talent in next years draft, and we have the best top-6 in the league and a nice amount of solid prospects to tide us over until 2016.

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10-28-2012, 05:19 AM
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For this season, not the next. And if you think Perry and Getzlaf will re-sign for 5.3 mil.

I'd rather splurge for one with intent to keep him long-term. Perry for 3 1sts, then re-sign him for 5 years at 6 mil per(assuming the CBA lowers the cap and limits to five years, or else I'd offer a better contract).

Trade Luongo for a 1st+ to pick up some talent in next years draft, and we have the best top-6 in the league and a nice amount of solid prospects to tide us over until 2016.
I like how you criticise me for being unrealistic when I makes no mention of resigning anyone yet you suggest Perry who in this scenario can't come to terms in ANA re-signs in VAN at a very cheap $6m per year for 5 years.

My scenario has the Canucks going for it next year and figuring the rest later. I am under no illusion about the team remaining competitive for a long time.

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10-28-2012, 07:56 AM
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Highly unlikely the Oil would be in a position to acquire a rental, but I'll play along.

Hemsky, Pitlick, 1st? Hemmer has an extra year @5 mil, not sure if he interests Ducks fans though.

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Ideal return for the Ducks would be a middle-six RW, a forward prospect, a 1st (likely very late) and another pick. Considering Murray's trade ineptitude, the return likely wouldn't be that.

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Ideal return for the Ducks would be a middle-six RW, a forward prospect, a 1st (likely very late) and another pick. Considering Murray's trade ineptitude, the return likely wouldn't be that.
Maybe I'll get flamed for this but I'd do Hagelin+J. T. Miller+1st for Perry.

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Dunno if the cap number would be too high though, guess that depends on the new CBA

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Just curious, as the very talked-about potential UFAs this upcoming offseason would be a HUGE boost to any playoff team at the deadline.

Ducks fans, before you take off my head, I know this is extremely unlikely to happen as it would depend on the following things:
- The Ducks having an abysmal season and deciding to go full-tank mode
- Getzlaf and/or Perry being unhappy and Ducks management not being confident in their ability to re-sign
- There being an NHL season, let alone one long enough for all of the above to happen ()

So yeah, it's more of an interesting hypothetical and less of a possible reality, but I thought it would be worth discussing anyways. Such is the case during a lockout.
You forgot one thing a Ducks GM that rather sit on his hands talking about how excited he is to resign these guys and then cry and ***** when they both walk in UFA. Instead of you know, proactively trying to get them to sign a contract. Perry walks to Sens, Getz to the Flames. Book it. E5.


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10-28-2012, 12:03 PM
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I like how you criticise me for being unrealistic when I makes no mention of resigning anyone yet you suggest Perry who in this scenario can't come to terms in ANA re-signs in VAN at a very cheap $6m per year for 5 years.

My scenario has the Canucks going for it next year and figuring the rest later. I am under no illusion about the team remaining competitive for a long time.
If the cap goes down then contracts given out would also go down. 6 mil in a 60 mil cap is equivalent to 7 mil in a 70 mil cap.

Also, if Perry leaves, I doubt it would be for money alone. He'd probably want to go to a contender.

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10-28-2012, 12:10 PM
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If the cap goes down then contracts given out would also go down. 6 mil in a 60 mil cap is equivalent to 7 mil in a 70 mil cap.

Also, if Perry leaves, I doubt it would be for money alone. He'd probably want to go to a contender.
Why would you think Perry would be less than 7+ with the previous cap? There are plenty of other players who signed in the area of 7M when the cap was even lower who don't have a rocket or a Hart. He has a Cup, there's no real reason for him to take a discount to get another.

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