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10-28-2012, 02:25 AM
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If Nuge really wants to play he should just tell the oilers. Doubt they don't give him pretty much anything he wants
In a way I kind of agree with this. The chances of him getting injured are slim to none, and I doubt a player of his caliber will lose chemistry with his teammates back in OKC. And if he really wants to they should give him the opportunity.

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I think Rielly is going to be a go-to defenseman on this team, people really don't realize how talented he is... But I'll lower my expectations for now:

Strome - Huberdeau - Rattie
Puempel - Scheifele - MacKinnon
Drouin/Shinkaruk - Monahan - DiGiuseppe
McNeill - Jenner - Wilson

Murray - Hamilton
Rielly - Harrington
Ouellet - Dumba
-Murphy/Reinhart

Subban
Brossoit

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just for fun, what about sending a young team...




Shinkaruk - Monahan - MacKinnon
Drouin - Lazar - Duclair
Rychel - Reinhart - Domi
Carrier - McDavid - Virtanen



Ekblad - Pulock
Morrissey - Roy
Nurse - Theodore



any chance of gold?

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10-28-2012, 04:07 AM
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Forget about Nick Cousins. He was charged with sexual assault in August and has a November 5 court hearing.

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Havent seen any games of the 2 this year but I would lean towards Ceci getting that spot over Percy, Cecis seems to be producing very well and he also got an invite this summer
People seem to forget Ceci was battling Mono during the last tourney which probably didnt help his proformance ,he is just as good as most on that list he will make the team

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10-28-2012, 08:51 AM
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I can't believe somebody would even write that, holy smokes! Well, if that's the case we may as well leave Crosby off the Olympic team, for fear he might dominate. Malkin can stay home as well, I'm sure the Russians are worried he might dominate.. Hell, Yakupov shouldn't play as well this year, he just might dominate the tournament...
He has played in the NHL and now he is in the AHL during the lockout. They will probably make him ineligible.

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10-28-2012, 08:53 AM
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I dont understand this last part here.
He is already an NHL player. I doubt hockey canada lets him play in the tournament. I meant to say but he would dominate if he played.

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10-28-2012, 09:03 AM
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He is already an NHL player. I doubt hockey canada lets him play in the tournament. I meant to say but he would dominate if he played.
Hockey Canada takes all kinds of NHL players if they are released, hell, Devante Smith-Pelly was an NHLer last year, HC asked Anaheim to release him for the World Juniors, and Anaheim obliged. The fact that he's played a year in the NHL means nothing, it shouldn't mean anything. He's 19 years old competing in a tournament for players under the age of 20.

And what do you mean by dominate? 4 pts per game average, 6 pts per game average? He'll no more dominate than any other 19 year old in the past dominated... He'll play 6 games and get anywhere from 12-20 pts just like all other elite level 19 year old players in the history of this tournament. RNH is good, very good, very gifted... but I think there are some who way over-estimate his skill.

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Hockey Canada takes all kinds of NHL players if they are released, hell, Devante Smith-Pelly was an NHLer last year, HC asked Anaheim to release him for the World Juniors, and Anaheim obliged. The fact that he's played a year in the NHL means nothing, it shouldn't mean anything. He's 19 years old competing in a tournament for players under the age of 20.

And what do you mean by dominate? 4 pts per game average, 6 pts per game average? He'll no more dominate than any other 19 year old in the past dominated... He'll play 6 games and get anywhere from 12-20 pts just like all other elite level 19 year old players in the history of this tournament. RNH is good, very good, very gifted... but I think there are some who way over-estimate his skill.
Yup, ask Brett Bulmer

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I think Rielly is going to be a go-to defenseman on this team, people really don't realize how talented he is... But I'll lower my expectations for now:

Strome - Huberdeau - Rattie
Puempel - Scheifele - MacKinnon
Drouin/Shinkaruk - Monahan - DiGiuseppe
McNeill - Jenner - Wilson

Murray - Hamilton
Rielly - Harrington
Ouellet - Dumba
-Murphy/Reinhart

Subban
Brossoit
Since Spott is the coach it's almost a forgone conclussion that Murphy will be Team Canada's go-to-defensemen.

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I'm hoping Adam Lowry can make a strong case to get on this team. He's had a great start to the season and has earned a start in both of the WHL - Russia games. He'd be a punishing force on the LW. I only wonder if he'd be less effective on the big ice.

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He is already an NHL player. I doubt hockey canada lets him play in the tournament. I meant to say but he would dominate if he played.
You do know that the team is trying to win and not just be polite to the other teams right?

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10-28-2012, 12:23 PM
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just for fun, what about sending a young team...




Shinkaruk - Monahan - MacKinnon
Drouin - Lazar - Duclair
Rychel - Reinhart - Domi
Carrier - McDavid - Virtanen



Ekblad - Pulock
Morrissey - Roy
Nurse - Theodore



any chance of gold?
A 19 year old late 1st rounder is usually a better player than an undrafted top 10 pick. We have a hard enough time building favoured rosters at the WJC already.

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10-28-2012, 01:32 PM
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You do know that the team is trying to win and not just be polite to the other teams right?
Lol this. Hockey Canada will do everything it possibly can to get Nugent-Hopkins on the team.

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Hoping that Frankie Corrado might get an invite to camp for a look as an extra d-man. He has 14 assists in 14 games in the OHL, fifth for all positions.

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You do know that the team is trying to win and not just be polite to the other teams right?
Seriously? I thought it was for fun.

I know he can play but look at the lineup I put together. Even without RNH, they have a dominant team.

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Hockey Canada takes all kinds of NHL players if they are released, hell, Devante Smith-Pelly was an NHLer last year, HC asked Anaheim to release him for the World Juniors, and Anaheim obliged. The fact that he's played a year in the NHL means nothing, it shouldn't mean anything. He's 19 years old competing in a tournament for players under the age of 20.

And what do you mean by dominate? 4 pts per game average, 6 pts per game average? He'll no more dominate than any other 19 year old in the past dominated... He'll play 6 games and get anywhere from 12-20 pts just like all other elite level 19 year old players in the history of this tournament. RNH is good, very good, very gifted... but I think there are some who way over-estimate his skill.
I just thought they wouldnt, my mistake They are good enough without making a CHLer lose a spot for a full time NHLer.

If he plays with Huberdeau, Strome, MacKinnon or Rattie, he can easily get at least 2-3 points per game. Probably more.

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10-28-2012, 03:14 PM
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I just thought they wouldnt, my mistake They are good enough without making a CHLer lose a spot for a full time NHLer.

If he plays with Huberdeau, Strome, MacKinnon or Rattie, he can easily get at least 2-3 points per game. Probably more.


Again, I think you are over-estimating his skill level....

And I don't see this team as dominate as you may think.

And given Hockey Canada's track record, I'm not even sure they take Mackinnon. They love to cut 17 year old undrafted number 1 rated prospects. They make a hobby of it. Just like Ryan Nugent Hopkins was cut when he was 17 and the number 1 rated prospect. Just like they cut Tyler Seguin etc.

If they do not invite RNH to camp, it's not because HC thinks why bother an NHLer with a junior tournament, it will be for other reasons... as I suggested before, HC too cheap to pay for insurance.

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Since Spott is the coach it's almost a forgone conclussion that Murphy will be Team Canada's go-to-defensemen.
No he wont be. He'll be the number 1 pp guy and probably play almost every PP, but he has a lot of turnovers and is weak in his zone. If hes the go to guy Candas in trouble

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No he wont be. He'll be the number 1 pp guy and probably play almost every PP, but he has a lot of turnovers and is weak in his zone. If hes the go to guy Candas in trouble
No Spott is definitely going to be playing Murphy in all situations, you're out to lunch if you think he'll only be playing PP. Spott puts Murphy up against the best players in the OHL and he's going to do it at the Subway Series too. He's not going to suddenly change his opinion to that of the armchair scouts on this board.

Out of the defensemen who will play for Canada, Spott by far knows Murphy best and whether you agree with it or not, coaches role with the guys they're most familiar with. They don't mitigate their impact to appese people on the internet.

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Again, I think you are over-estimating his skill level....

And I don't see this team as dominate as you may think.

And given Hockey Canada's track record, I'm not even sure they take Mackinnon. They love to cut 17 year old undrafted number 1 rated prospects. They make a hobby of it. Just like Ryan Nugent Hopkins was cut when he was 17 and the number 1 rated prospect. Just like they cut Tyler Seguin etc.

If they do not invite RNH to camp, it's not because HC thinks why bother an NHLer with a junior tournament, it will be for other reasons... as I suggested before, HC too cheap to pay for insurance.
You seem to be forgetting something. RNH wasnt the #1 rated prospect until later in his draft year. At christmas it was between Larsson and Couturier, the latter made the team. Same with Seguin, hall was the #1 pick, who made the team. Id bet the farm that MacKinnon's on this team in a top 6 role.

My guess.

Huberdeau - Nugent-Hopkins - Rattie
Drouin-MacKinnon-Strome
Puempel - Scheifele- DiGiuseppe
Danault - Jenner - Wilson
Monahan

Murray - Hamilton
Rielly-Harrington
Oulett-Reinhart
Ceci-Dumba

Subban
Brossoit


Taking 3 undrafted players is risky. but these are unreal players.

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Huberdeau - Nugent-Hopkins - Rattie
Drouin (one can dream, no?) - MacKinnon- Strome
Puempel - Scheifele - Monahan
Danault - Jenner -McNeill
Wilson/Griffith//Lessio

Murray - Hamilton
Rielly - Harrington
Ouellet - Murphy
Reinhart/Dumba/

Subban
Marcoux

I don't know how Scheifele has done in faceoffs and defensive work, but MacKinnons faceoffs have improved and his defensive awareness as well.... Thus putting him as center on this team.

I think Monhan could make it as a 13th forward but will emerge as a regular on this team.


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You seem to be forgetting something. RNH wasnt the #1 rated prospect until later in his draft year. At christmas it was between Larsson and Couturier, the latter made the team. Same with Seguin, hall was the #1 pick, who made the team. Id bet the farm that MacKinnon's on this team in a top 6 role.
Larsson and Landeskog, Couturier had fell out of first overall by then (Still considered by many to still be a top 3 lock though). Was considered a 3 way race between Larsson, Landeskog and RNH, with Landeskog and Larsson being neck and neck and RNH the "distant" third. By January Landeskog had "pulled ahead". But I guess your point sitll stands.

Don't be too shocked if MacKinnon doesn't have a frontline role on the, Bob MacKenzie speculated earlier this year that most of Canada's top 6 is predetermined and there's no way MacKinnon plays a bottom six role so he's got a lot of competition for the last top 6 spot and it's entirely possible he's only the 13th forward.

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Larsson and Landeskog, Couturier had fell out of first overall by then (Still considered by many to still be a top 3 lock though). Was considered a 3 way race between Larsson, Landeskog and RNH, with Landeskog and Larsson being neck and neck and RNH the "distant" third. By January Landeskog had "pulled ahead". But I guess your point sitll stands.

Don't be too shocked if MacKinnon doesn't have a frontline role on the, Bob MacKenzie speculated earlier this year that most of Canada's top 6 is predetermined and there's no way MacKinnon plays a bottom six role so he's got a lot of competition for the last top 6 spot and it's entirely possible he's only the 13th forward.
To be fair though, there are guys currently pencilled in to the top 6 who can play a bottom 6 role. If Mackinnon, Drouin etc were to impress at camp, a guy like Schiefele, who showed an edge in the Russia series could easily find himself centring a hypothetical 3rd line

And I would take a guy like Drouin any day of the week over Hunter Shinkaruk

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No Spott is definitely going to be playing Murphy in all situations, you're out to lunch if you think he'll only be playing PP. Spott puts Murphy up against the best players in the OHL and he's going to do it at the Subway Series too. He's not going to suddenly change his opinion to that of the armchair scouts on this board.

Out of the defensemen who will play for Canada, Spott by far knows Murphy best and whether you agree with it or not, coaches role with the guys they're most familiar with. They don't mitigate their impact to appese people on the internet.
He will not play short handed thats for sure. He'll probably get some solid even strength time and play a tonne on the PP. He didnt get played in all situations in the Canada Russia series this summer and hes a turnover machine.

With a 1 goal lead in the final minute of play if Spott roles with the guys he familiar with, Canada will be going home without a gold just like the last few years and Spott wont be coaching again.

Ryan Ellis hardly played even in his fourth year except in more offensive roles, I think itll be the same for Murphy

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