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Jbo's 20 someodd points a year isn't enticing enough to trade Grabo. A little overrated imho
If this season is wiped out Bouwmeesters contract would only have 1 year left, and even if we do see hockey this season then it'd be 1 and 2/3 years left.
#2 Defensemen who can play huge minutes vs. undersized 50 point center. Yes he's no Shea Weber but better defensively then anyone currently on the leafs as of today.
If this season is wiped out Bouwmeesters contract would only have 1 year left, and even if we do see hockey this season then it'd be 1 and 2/3 years left.
#2 Defensemen who can play huge minutes vs. undersized 50 point center. Yes he's no Shea Weber but better defensively then anyone currently on the leafs as of today.
I'd rather give holzer a chance and a stopgap if that falters (by all accounts Holzer is looking viable). Adding Jbo for 1.? years is not worth giving up assets.... Grabo is one of our best.
I think Calgary and TML are good trading partners. Flames are just going into a rebuilding period while TML may be coming of theres and have some good prospects.
If Feaster realized he has solid older players that have high value as of right now and was willingly to go into a rebuild I could see Kipper going to Toronto.
Kipper would be a better solution then Lu. His contract is only for 2 more years at $5.8 million. Still a high amount but shorter term. He is older then Luongo but played amazing last year and probaly has 2 more good years left.
It would give some time for TML goalie prospects to develop and take over the starting role once he leaves in 2014/15
Also Flames have some good G prospects too.
I wonder what it would take to do that deal? Colbourne?
I think Calgary and TML are good trading partners. Flames are just going into a rebuilding period while TML may be coming of theres and have some good prospects.
If Feaster realized he has solid older players that have high value as of right now and was willingly to go into a rebuild I could see Kipper going to Toronto.
Kipper would be a better solution then Lu. His contract is only for 2 more years at $5.8 million. Still a high amount but shorter term. He is older then Luongo but played amazing last year and probaly has 2 more good years left.
It would give some time for TML goalie prospects to develop and take over the starting role once he leaves in 2014/15
Also Flames have some good G prospects too.
I wonder what it would take to do that deal? Colbourne?
I wouldn't want to center a deal around Colborne personally I would be looking for Kadri.
I'd rather give holzer a chance and a stopgap if that falters (by all accounts Holzer is looking viable). Adding Jbo for 1.? years is not worth giving up assets.... Grabo is one of our best.
Bouwmeester is still relatively young, could be resigned for cheaper. Plus it's highly unlikely Holzer becomes half as good as Bouwmeester.
I wouldn't want to center a deal around Colborne personally I would be looking for Kadri.
It is reasonable to say Kipper is an elite goalie and any return will be good. I think that at his age he is on his last legs. While Kadri is a good prospect just getting into the NHL. So youd be trading 2 years of Kipper for 13+ years of Kadri. Also im not a gm so its hard to put value on players.
But going of the trade proposals for Luongo, Kadri seemed like a no go. Lu is younger and better (very slightly) then Kipper. So Colbourne could be a good start, but again putting value on prospects and older players is extremly hard (reference the 1000 Luongo threads)
3) Toronto is giving up the 3 best players in the deal. and getting almost no youth and progression.
LOL. You actually, seriously believe this? If this is true, Gunnarsson is the best defenseman on the Leafs. Because when Phaneuf was traded to Toronto, Bouwmeester was Calgary's #1 and Phaneuf was the #2. Just for some perspective there.
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4) no stajan.
As for Stajan... he's been asked to play in a checking role in Calgary as they had no capable checking centers, and he has done so quite well. But he still is quite offensively talented; he spent some time on the top line last year and did not look out of place. And the last time he was a full time scoring line player, what did he do?
19-38-57 in 82 games split between Calgary and Toronto. A season before that? He scored 15-40-55 in 76 games for the Leafs.
If the Leafs are trading Grabovski for Bouwmeester as the proposal suggests, Toronto is short a scoring line center and Calgary is short a defenseman. Stajan's value is closer to Grabovski's than Gunnarsson's is to Bouwmeester. Hence the Bozak/Backlund swap.
If you really want "no stajan" we can turn it into Bouwmeester/Backlund for Grabovski/Gunnarsson. Or it can be Stempniak instead of Backlund.
It is reasonable to say Kipper is an elite goalie and any return will be good. I think that at his age he is on his last legs. While Kadri is a good prospect just getting into the NHL. So youd be trading 2 years of Kipper for 13+ years of Kadri. Also im not a gm so its hard to put value on players.
But going of the trade proposals for Luongo, Kadri seemed like a no go. Lu is younger and better (very slightly) then Kipper. So Colbourne could be a good start, but again putting value on prospects and older players is extremly hard (reference the 1000 Luongo threads)
While Luo may be younger Kipper has a much easier contract to swallow than Luo does and I wouldn't move Kipper unless the Flames are getting a prospect that is needed I am not that high on Colborne and so I would be looking at Kadri.
While Luo may be younger Kipper has a much easier contract to swallow than Luo does and I wouldn't move Kipper unless the Flames are getting a prospect that is needed I am not that high on Colborne and so I would be looking at Kadri.
Why Kadri? Id want to it to center around a better prospect, even if it meant that the Flames would have to add something else.
You don't deal your best center which is a position of weakness for a dman which is a position of strength. Makes zero sense and is flat out awful for the Leafs and that's without even addressing value.
You don't deal your best center which is a position of weakness for a dman which is a position of strength. Makes zero sense and is flat out awful for the Leafs and that's without even addressing value.
This. Can we close the thread now? Pretty much sums it all up. Not trading our best C.
