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10-28-2012, 08:09 PM
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Haven't read the past few pages. Is it still full of proposals having Luongo going to the Leafs for spare parts?

Pretty much status quo
For a Top 30 keeper w terrible contract ...bozak, 2nd, spare part ...and consider yourself lucky...
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10-28-2012, 08:13 PM
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The Predators have 8.5 mil, Rangers 8.1 mil, Canadiens 7.6 mil, Bruins 9.3 mil.

It's not so terrible.
Sounds like being in touch with reality, is something you are not accustomed to. So how long do each of these teams carry this cap hit long term in comparision to the Cannucks? You seem to like making excuses, without acknowledging the facts. Nice try though.

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10-28-2012, 08:14 PM
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I don't expect Gillis to accept all of those players I mentioned. So let's say Burke just offered him Tim Connolly. Does one player like him still need to include someone like Jake Gardiner or Morgan Reilly? Personally speaking I wouldn't mind having to include other prospects like Jesse Blacker, Kenny Ryan and maybe Carter Ashton if Toronto does include at least one cap dump. So does that sound more fair keeping in mind after the next season Connolly is set to become a UFA. So worst case Connolly is on the Canucks for at least 1 year.
You're implying we want to dump Luongo. Gillis is waiting for the right deal, or the right timing. It's no coincidence that Lack has signed a 2-year deal in which the first is a 2-way, the 2nd year is 1-way. He is very prepared to wait at least another year. Unless you have some proof that Luongo will be a team cancer, we have no need to dump Luongo.

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10-28-2012, 08:17 PM
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Sounds like being in touch with reality, is something you are not accustomed to. So how long do each of these teams carry this cap hit long term in comparision to the Cannucks? You seem to like making excuses, without acknowledging the facts. Nice try though.
Seeing as most of those teams have a 6.5-7mil goaltender locked up long term, and will always need a backup for around 1-1.5 mil, it would be for quite some time.

There's really no need to insult someone just because you made a mistake. Paying 1 mil more on goaltending than most other teams with star goaltenders isn't that big a deal.

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10-28-2012, 08:21 PM
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Might want to look at reality as well. There are reports based on recent CBA negotiations, that the cap could end up being in the neighborhood of 60 million. Having two goalies that have a combined 9.3 million dollar cap hit, 1/6 of the enitre cap for two players, where only one can play at a time, make sense? Again, good luck with that.
In all the owners proposals there was a working cap of 70m. So they have a full season to trade Luongo before they get desperate

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10-28-2012, 08:22 PM
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Sounds like being in touch with reality, is something you are not accustomed to. So how long do each of these teams carry this cap hit long term in comparision to the Cannucks? You seem to like making excuses, without acknowledging the facts. Nice try though.
Carrying both Schneider and Luongo long term is obviously not a viable solution, nobody has suggested that. But starting the season(if it ever happens) with both in the fold, until a better deal possibly presents itself is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

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10-28-2012, 08:26 PM
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Carrying both Schneider and Luongo long term is obviously not a viable solution, nobody has suggested that. But starting the season(if it ever happens) with both in the fold, until a better deal possibly presents itself is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.
Of course, that is a realistic assesment. Believing that a combined cap hit of 9.3 in the goaltending department, long term, is not.


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Luongo and 1st for Komisarek is obviously what Leafs fans think is fair

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10-28-2012, 08:53 PM
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Seeing as most of those teams have a 6.5-7mil goaltender locked up long term, and will always need a backup for around 1-1.5 mil, it would be for quite some time.

There's really no need to insult someone just because you made a mistake. Paying 1 mil more on goaltending than most other teams with star goaltenders isn't that big a deal.
No mistake at all, just the facts. There is no other team that has a combined cap hit after two years, at the goalie position, than the Nucks. Why you chose to ignore that speaks volumes. Combine that large cap hit with a goalie in his prime, not getting the majority of the minutes in goal, also speaks volumes. If you believe it is something that doesnt need to be addressed by Gillis at some point, shows you are delusional. Doesnt mean Lou has to be traded away for nothing, but to not acknowledge that it will have to be looked at at some point is nonsense.

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10-28-2012, 09:01 PM
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No mistake at all, just the facts. There is no other team that has a combined cap hit after two years, at the goalie position, than the Nucks. Why you chose to ignore that speaks volumes. Combine that large cap hit with a goalie in his prime, not getting the majority of the minutes in goal, also speaks volumes. If you believe it is something that doesnt need to be addressed by Gillis at some point, shows you are delusional. Doesnt mean Lou has to be traded away for nothing, but to not acknowledge that it will have to be looked at at some point is nonsense.
I never said we'd keep both long-term, but it's perfectly feasible to keep them both for another season. Right now we're under the cap and there isn't anything that we need more cap space for. Therefore we aren't going to trade a goalie for something that doesn't help us anytime soon. What's delusional is thinking Luongo will only go to the Leafs, and will go for a pittance because we have no other choice.

There are other teams involved, and if we don't get an offer we like we can keep them both until next offseason at least. If in the unlikely event no one has made a decent offer, then maybe we'll start taking lowball proposals. But until then many Leafs fans proposals have been laughably bad.

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10-28-2012, 09:28 PM
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I never said we'd keep both long-term, but it's perfectly feasible to keep them both for another season. Right now we're under the cap and there isn't anything that we need more cap space for. Therefore we aren't going to trade a goalie for something that doesn't help us anytime soon. What's delusional is thinking Luongo will only go to the Leafs, and will go for a pittance because we have no other choice.

There are other teams involved, and if we don't get an offer we like we can keep them both until next offseason at least. If in the unlikely event no one has made a decent offer, then maybe we'll start taking lowball proposals. But until then many Leafs fans proposals have been laughably bad.
No one said the only destination is the Leafs. Keeping Lou unitl next year, with the potential UFA goalies on the market at that point will not help his value.

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10-28-2012, 11:18 PM
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No one said the only destination is the Leafs. Keeping Lou unitl next year, with the potential UFA goalies on the market at that point will not help his value.
That logic makes sense, but now we need to analyze all these goaltenders you speak of and who will replace them on their current teams:

1. Nick Backkstrom: will be 35 and is probably the most interesting of the bunch. Josh Harding and Matthew Hackett might be inline to replace, but with all Minnesota's current upgrades(Parise, Suter) do they really want to give up their top goalie when they can compete now.

2. Tim Thomas: will be 39, and played no season prior quite a risk.

3. Evgeni Nabokov: will be 38 and could retire/slide in backup role nicely or again like Thomas team could take risk. Islanders have Dipietro and a couple youngsters to replace.

4. Mike Smith: probably best free agent goalie, but there are reports Coyotes are trying to lockup long term. I would say will most likely be resigned, but if not they would need a replacement

5. Jimmy Howard: solid goaltender. He will surely be either resigned by Detroit or they could very well enter the Luongo sweep stakes. Detroit will need a serious replacement if Howard departs.

6. Jose Theodore: will be 37 and again is similar to Nabokov and Thomas. Could retire, but seems unlikely to become a new teams starter in 2013. Might be a nice backup.

Here are top UFA tenders for 2013 to date. If they all depart I think teams interested in Luongo could go after Backstrom, Smith and Howard, but the rest look like they could retire or are very risky. Smith will most likely be resigned. That leaves Backstrom and Howard. If Howard goes I think Detroit becomes a front runner for Luongo and raises his value. Backstrom seems like the most probable goalie to lower Luongo's value, but as I mentioned before Minnesota have went all in for Suter and Parise and look to compete now. Their alternatives do not look like upgrades and that would seem like a step backward. I think that the number of goalies available next year is overblown. Luongo is still a significant upgrade over all of them, maybe not Smith arguably. From a Toronto perspective I don't think it's anything to be too excited over, because this year Vokoun was available and they did not pick him up, Backstrom is along the same lines as Vokoun for quality and age. At any rate next years UFA crop does not look to damage Luongo's value significantly, that is assuming he is still available. The only way goalies like Theodore, Thomas, or Nabokov look valuable to Toronto is if they need a backup. I think in a situation if Reimer turned out well and needs a backup these guys could be valuable. Though if you look at the contract Scrivens signed, he is waiver exempt this year but not next, he looks to be the backup. Regardless those goalies would not affect Luongo's value, because Toronto would no longer need a #1 in this scenario.


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