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2012 European Trophy & Red Bulls Salute (Dec. 13-16)

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08-18-2012, 02:53 AM
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Interesting start. Berlin almost blew a 6-0 lead, HIFK dominating on the power play.

Liberec' Nedved (0g 4a) and Hamburg's Flaake (2g 2a) each with a 4 point game.

I really hope this tournament sticks around and works out some of its issues, mainly the automatic qualifier of the teams from the host cities of the Red Bull Salute.

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08-18-2012, 03:02 AM
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IFK- Mannheim highlights.

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08-18-2012, 06:42 AM
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The answer from a russian with a hard on for KHL?

ET will probably not take the form as the football champions league, it could (but most likely wont). It is one option to get international competition between european clubs who hold their domestic league in higher regard than the KHL.
I don't think vorky is actually Russian (slovak?) but the second part is right.

ET is better than regular pre-season games, due to the prize money on offer if teams make the final tournament.

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08-18-2012, 12:37 PM
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Jarkko Ruutu is still money on penalty shots.

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08-18-2012, 07:37 PM
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I don't like this tournament. Too many games, too much travel for a pre-season tournament. It's a risk for the teams involved, as the teams can be fatigued or suffering from injuries when the regular season begins. It's important to play games to prepare but at the same time it's important to have time for practice as well. We're already seeing many teams with key players getting injured and that means they won't be able to play games or practice with the team properly. Not good.

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08-19-2012, 08:00 AM
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I don't like this tournament. Too many games, too much travel for a pre-season tournament. It's a risk for the teams involved, as the teams can be fatigued or suffering from injuries when the regular season begins. It's important to play games to prepare but at the same time it's important to have time for practice as well. We're already seeing many teams with key players getting injured and that means they won't be able to play games or practice with the team properly. Not good.
The teams are playing just as many games, if not fewer than before. E.g. Jokerit have 9 pre-season games this off-season combined, which falls well within the average. Some teams have 10 or more. E.g. Lukko have 10 games and that doesn't even include Pitsiturnaus and they're not even in the European Trophy.

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08-19-2012, 08:48 AM
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The teams are playing just as many games, if not fewer than before. E.g. Jokerit have 9 pre-season games this off-season combined, which falls well within the average. Some teams have 10 or more. E.g. Lukko have 10 games and that doesn't even include Pitsiturnaus and they're not even in the European Trophy.
The number of games would be okay with less travel and if all parties were on the same page as to the "seriousness" of the games. For example in practice matches within Finland you can clearly see that most of the time they do not tackle with full strength if for example simply blocking an attacker, they tone down the cross checking etc. This isn't the case with all teams in ET. The tournament simply doesn't work well with this schedule. Like Suikkanen said something along the lines of "in pre-season games you don't play to win tournaments, you play to see how the players have adopted the system and how players with little experience manage themselves".

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Anyone have a stream for Linköping-Vienna which is being shown on Viasat?

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The number of games would be okay with less travel and if all parties were on the same page as to the "seriousness" of the games. For example in practice matches within Finland you can clearly see that most of the time they do not tackle with full strength if for example simply blocking an attacker, they tone down the cross checking etc. This isn't the case with all teams in ET. The tournament simply doesn't work well with this schedule. Like Suikkanen said something along the lines of "in pre-season games you don't play to win tournaments, you play to see how the players have adopted the system and how players with little experience manage themselves".
We are talking traveling within the Central and Northern Europe here and insignificant time zone differences. It's also structured so that the "toughest" travels contain back-to-back games.

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08-24-2012, 11:02 AM
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I notice the Paradubice plays very similat to the Czech national team. Very dangerous transitions. Entertaining to watch.

The referee is absolutely attrocious though, because apperantly the Paradubice players are made out of glass and hence you can't touch them.

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08-24-2012, 12:37 PM
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Pardubice beat Brynäs 6-2.

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European Trophy

I think it's worthy of an own thread.

I've been to the Vienna-Bratislava game tonight and was surprised by 2 things:
a) the Caps' good PK and
b) the fact that Kreps and Dano didn't play - hoping for Slovan-Fans to help this point.
Positively surprised by Fraser, as a Caps fan.

Greetings and good night.

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Dano injured, Kreps dont know - maybe rest before 1st KHL game. That was last pre game of Slovan, club has a few guys on try out, so why not give them chance to play instead of Kreps who is locked.

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09-01-2012, 06:39 PM
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09-02-2012, 11:30 AM
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Luleå has won six games out of six

here can you read about it
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=640638

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Interesting notice, if Jokerit lose against Färjestad tomorrow there will only be 1 finnish team to qualify for playoffs. Same as last year.

Kärpät & JYP finishied 7th and KalPa 8th in their groups. SM-Liiga teams seems to struggle against Int. Competition.


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10-28-2012, 08:48 AM
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Interesting notice, if Jokerit lose against Färjestad tomorrow there will only be 1 finnish team to qualify for playoffs. Same as last year.

Kärpät & JYP finishied 7th and KalPa 8th in their groups. SM-Liiga teams seems to struggle against Int. Competition.
Maybe Finnish Elite League is just crap?

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10-28-2012, 08:53 AM
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A couple possible streams for tonight's FBK-Jokerit game. I have no idea if they'll work or not.

http://www.usagoals.com/live/238474-...ivo/tv/gratis/

http://live.ballonpitch.com/live-228...s-jokerit.html

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Färjestad beats a reinforced Jokerit with 4-1 and moves on to playoffs

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10-28-2012, 12:36 PM
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Teams in RBS final tournament:

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Luleå Hockey, SWE
Eisbären Berlin, GER
Tappara, FIN
Brynäs IF, SWE
HV71, SWE
Färjestad, SWE

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Vienna Capitals, AUS
Slovan Bratislava, SVK

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10-28-2012, 12:48 PM
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I thought this tournament finished a while back and I don't know why

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10-28-2012, 01:05 PM
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I thought this tournament finished a while back and I don't know why
The format is a joke. Having the playoffs a weekend mid-season is fine(even if I'd prefer a home/away setup UEFA CL style), but the group stage should be finished before regular season. Most teams were already knocked out or had clinched a playoff spot when the October games came around. If these games were in the preseason they would at least have some use for every team. Now they're just in the way. FBK-Jokerit was one of the rare games with meaning.

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The format is a joke. Having the playoffs a weekend mid-season is fine(even if I'd prefer a home/away setup UEFA CL style), but the group stage should be finished before regular season. Most teams were already knocked out or had clinched a playoff spot when the October games came around. If these games were in the preseason they would at least have some use for every team. Now they're just in the way. FBK-Jokerit was one of the rare games with meaning.
It was also at the worst possible time scheduling wise for Jokerit. This game included they had two back-to-back 4 game weeks. This week they played the top teams in the league on Tuesday and Wednesday and had their 45th birthday game against Ilves on Friday. Not exactly ideal preparation. Next year this will have to be rectified.

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