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10-27-2012, 09:55 AM
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Potted another one today.
He's one away from his season total last year. Leads his team in +/- too I see.

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10-27-2012, 10:02 AM
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Is Marcel Mueller still leafs property?

12p in 16gp in the SEL

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10-28-2012, 10:49 AM
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10-28-2012, 02:58 PM
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Kulie: 6 goals, 9 points in 14 games.
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10-28-2012, 03:28 PM
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Is Marcel Mueller still leafs property?

12p in 16gp in the SEL
Yes, but he's an RFA who decided to go play in Sweden for the year.

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10-28-2012, 03:50 PM
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Can someone post links to the Kulemin / Grabovski goals? Would appreciate it.

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10-28-2012, 03:53 PM
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If the league starts playing this season the guys currently playing in the K will be way ahead in conditioning.

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10-28-2012, 03:56 PM
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Can someone post links to the Kulemin / Grabovski goals? Would appreciate it.
The KHL has a youtube account. You can find all goals/highlights there. Just search by team name.

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10-28-2012, 03:59 PM
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Can someone post links to the Kulemin / Grabovski goals? Would appreciate it.
Kulemin's goal, the first one by dudes in white. It's his 3rd in the last 3 games btw.


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10-28-2012, 04:04 PM
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Nice move on that goal

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Kulemin's goal, the first one by dudes in white. It's his 3rd in the last 3 games btw.

That was a great goal. Thanks!

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10-28-2012, 04:19 PM
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First, the defense there is terrible. If it was like that in the NHL, Kovalchuk would have crazy point totals. Problem is, he has to go back to NJ and play defensive again. It's going to be weird for him.
Whre does this weird concept come from?

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10-28-2012, 04:26 PM
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Whre does this weird concept come from?
Watching the highlights, probably.

Many of the goals are the result of poor defending and even worse goaltending.

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10-28-2012, 05:04 PM
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Watching the highlights, probably.

Many of the goals are the result of poor defending and even worse goaltending.
Yeah, really? So Rinne should be the best KHL netminder by far. But he isn't... Is it some kind of KHL curse?

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10-28-2012, 06:23 PM
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Yeah, really? So Rinne should be the best KHL netminder by far. But he isn't... Is it some kind of KHL curse?
That's a pretty simplistic argument. Could be the quality of team in front of him compared to that of other goaltenders, the aforementioned poor defense, him getting used to the bigger rinks, etc. Rinne also has a .921 save percentage in 10 games, which is around his career average.

Are you insinuating that there are goalies in the KHL who could outperform Rinne in the NHL?

Are you also of the belief that defending in the KHL is of the same quality as the NHL?

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10-28-2012, 07:10 PM
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That's a pretty simplistic argument. Could be the quality of team in front of him compared to that of other goaltenders, the aforementioned poor defense, him getting used to the bigger rinks, etc. Rinne also has a .921 save percentage in 10 games, which is around his career average.

Are you insinuating that there are goalies in the KHL who could outperform Rinne in the NHL?

Are you also of the belief that defending in the KHL is of the same quality as the NHL?
Sure it's simplistic. But isn't saying "many of the goals are the result of poor defending and even worse goaltending" simplistic as well?.. And I ain't saying Rinne is bad, I'm saying he isn't the best.

Btw didn't Kessel have some crazy statistics after a few first games last season? So wasn't NHL's quality of defending and goaltending terrible as well?

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10-28-2012, 09:53 PM
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Sure it's simplistic. But isn't saying "many of the goals are the result of poor defending and even worse goaltending" simplistic as well?.. And I ain't saying Rinne is bad, I'm saying he isn't the best.

Btw didn't Kessel have some crazy statistics after a few first games last season? So wasn't NHL's quality of defending and goaltending terrible as well?
You can't scream about a lack of sample size when we have years and years of KHL highlights to base our opinions on. From what I've seen the defending/goaltending in the KHL is inferior to NHL quality defending/goaltending. Are you going to sit there and deny that?

You also didn't answer either of my original questions.

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You can't scream about a lack of sample size when we have years and years of KHL highlights to base our opinions on. From what I've seen the defending/goaltending in the KHL is inferior to NHL quality defending/goaltending. Are you going to sit there and deny that?

You also didn't answer either of my original questions.
If all you watched were goal-highlights from the NHL, a dumb person might assume that the defense and goaltending sucks.


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10-28-2012, 11:42 PM
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If all you watched were goal-highlights from the NHL, a dumb person might assume that the defense and goaltending sucks.

Fancy that, goals result from defensive breakdowns. You think you're pointing out something I don't know? If you didn't try so hard to go for a killshot put-down all the time you may pull an interesting thought out of your head once in a blue moon.

If you can't notice the difference in the quality of defending/goaltending when you compare NHL footage to KHL footage then I don't know what else to say.

I'll forward you the same statement: "...defending/goaltending in the KHL is inferior to NHL quality defending/goaltending. Are you going to sit there and deny that?"

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10-29-2012, 04:14 AM
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You can't scream about a lack of sample size when we have years and years of KHL highlights to base our opinions on. From what I've seen the defending/goaltending in the KHL is inferior to NHL quality defending/goaltending. Are you going to sit there and deny that?

You also didn't answer either of my original questions.
Well, I think some goalies can be pretty decent NHL back-ups or even starters. Say, Stana or Ezhov. As to outperform, who knows.

Defending is worse, of course. There are fewer good defenders in KHL than NHL. But it isn't that worse, that any NHLer can come and score 2PPG. I mean, Ovechkin has 12 points in 12 games so far. Yes, he isn't a supestar anymore he once was, but still a pretty good NHLer.

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10-29-2012, 08:55 AM
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Are goals in the NHL the result of breakdowns in defensive plays and if we watched say Spezza go through an entire Leafs team should we say that NHL defense is dreadful?

What if we did a highlight package of all the stops in the KHL/NHL would we surmise defense was good?

How many highlight packages are created for non-goals?

EDIT: No one cares about shots that are stopped.


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Seems like both Kulemin and Grabovski have warmed up.

Hopefully they keep producing well.

What are the stats from the other oversea players, like MacArthur and Franson?

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Sure it's simplistic. But isn't saying "many of the goals are the result of poor defending and even worse goaltending" simplistic as well?.. And I ain't saying Rinne is bad, I'm saying he isn't the best.

Btw didn't Kessel have some crazy statistics after a few first games last season? So wasn't NHL's quality of defending and goaltending terrible as well?
And this argument if applied to Leaf goaltending ....

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Are goals in the NHL the result of breakdowns in defensive plays and if we watched say Spezza go through an entire Leafs team should we say that NHL defense is dreadful?

What is we did a highlight package of all the stops in the KHL/NHL would we surmise defense was good?

How many highlight packages are created for non-goals?

huh?

You speak in tongues constantly.

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huh?

You speak in tongues constantly.
Here is a phrase that is conceptually incorrect. If a person speaks in tongues should we not all understand at least one of those tongues.

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