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10-28-2012, 05:04 PM
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Normally I wouldn't put this up, since so much can change but things are sooo slooow...
Consensus Top 10 combining Bob McKenzie, Future Considerations, ISS, Corey Pronman of Hockey Prospectus, and The Scouting Report.

# Pos Name DOB HT WT L/R Team Movement
1 F Nathan MacKinnon 9/1/1995 5'11 180 R Halifax Mooseheads 0
2 D Seth Jones 11/3/1994 6'3 205 R Portland Winterhawks 0
3 F Aleksander Barkov 9/2/1995 6'2 205 L Tappara 2
4 F Sean Monahan 10/12/1994 6'2 180 R Ottawa 67s -1
5 F Elias Lindholm 12/2/1994 6 183 R Brynas -1
6 D Rasmus Ristolainen 10/27/1994 6'3 210 R TPS Turku 1
7 D Ryan Pulock 10/6/1994 6' 195 R Brandon Wheat Kings 4
8 F Hunter Shinkaruk 11/13/1994 5'10 170 L Medicine Hat Tigers -2
9 F Jonathan Drouin 3/27/1995 5'11 180 L Halifax Mooseheads 3
10 F Curtis Lazar 2/2/1995 6' 190 R Edmonton Oil Kings 0
11 F Valeri Nichushkin 3/4/1995 6'3 180 R Chelyabinsk -2
12 F Andre Burakovsky 2/9/1995 6'1 175 L Malmo -4
13 F Adam Erne 4/20/1995 6' 200 L Quebec Remparts 0
14 D Josh Morrissey 3/28/1995 6' 185 L Prince Albert Raiders 3
15 D Nikita Zadorov 4/16/1995 6'4 205 L London Knights 1
16 F Kerby Rychel 10/7/1994 6'1 185 L Windsor Spitfires -2
17 D Robert Hagg 2/8/1995 6'2 201 L MODO -2
18 F J.T. Compher 4/8/1995 6' 170 R USNDT 3
19 D Darnell Nurse 2/4/1995 6'4 185 L Soo Greyhounds 6
20 F Jacob De la Rose 5/20/1995 6'2 185 F Leksand -2
21 F Ryan Kujawinski 3/30/1995 6'2 180 L Kingston Frontenacs 3
22 F Anthony Duclair 7/26/1995 6 160 L Quebec Remparts -3
23 F Ryan Hartman 9/20/1994 5'11 185 R Plymouth Whalers 3
24 G Zach Fucale 5/28/1995 6' 170 L Halifax Mooseheads -2
25 F Max Domi 3/2/1995 5'9 185 L London Knights -2
26 F Artturi Lehkonen 7/4/1995 5'10 163 L TPS Turku 4
27 F Bo Horvat 4/5/1995 6' 195 L London Knights 7
28 F Hudson Fasching 7/28/1995 6'3 208 R USNDT -8
29 F Pavel Buchnevich 4/17/1995 6' 165 L Almaz Cherepovets 0
30 D Ian McCoshen 8/5/1995 6'3 205 L Waterloo Blackhawks -2
31 F William Carrier 12/20/1994 6' 195 L Cape Breton -4
32 D Madison Bowey 4/22/1995 6'1 195 R Kelowna Rockets -1
33 D Eric Roy 10/24/1994 6'3 190 L Brandon Wheat Kings 4
34 F Frederik Gauthier 4/26/1995 6'1 210 L Rimouski Oceanic N/A
35 D Steve Santini 3/7/1995 6'2 205 R USNDT 4
36 F Jason Dickinson 7/4/1995 6'2 179 L Guelph Storm N/A
37 F Stephen Harper 3/25/1995 6'2 202 L Erie Otters N/A
38 D Keaton Thompson 9/14/1995 6'1 170 L USNDT 8
39 D Mike Downing 5/19/1995 6'3 190 L Dubuque Fighting Saints N/A
40 D Jan Kostalek 2/17/1995 6' 175 L Sparta Praha -5
41 D Will Butcher 1/6/1995 5'11 190 L USNDT -9
42 F Tyler Motte 3/10/1995 5'10 165 R USNDT -6
43 F Alex Forsberg 1/4/1995 5'9 170 L Prince George -10
44 G Eric Comrie 7/6/1995 6'1 175 L Tri City Americans 6
45 F Connor Hurley 9/15/1995 6'1 175 L Edina High School 2
46 F Juuso Ikonen 1/3/1995 6'3 198 R Espoo Blues 6
47 D Samuel Morin 7/12/1995 6'5 184 L Rimouski Oceanic 17
48 F Lukas Wallmark 9/5/1995 5'10 175 L Skelleftea 12
49 F Markus Soberg 4/22/1995 6' 175 R Frolunda -11
50 F Sergei Tolchinsky 2/3/1995 5'7 150 L Soo Greyhounds 17

For the top 50 check ->here<-

If the lock out continues, I'll keep posting these and we can watch for some movement... I'm keeping my eyes on guys that start out on top and fall to one of our many 2nd/3rd's... that's how we scored gems like Kosmachuk and Olsen


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10-28-2012, 05:12 PM
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Call it a hunch (as I have no started my own yearly draft scouting ) but I have this feeling Shinkaruk keeps falling. IDK, from what little I have seen, I'm not sure if he will be a top 10 pick this year. It will be nowhere near an Ebert fall by any means, but I could see him going 15-25.

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10-28-2012, 05:23 PM
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Call it a hunch (as I have no started my own yearly draft scouting ) but I have this feeling Shinkaruk keeps falling. IDK, from what little I have seen, I'm not sure if he will be a top 10 pick this year. It will be nowhere near an Ebert fall by any means, but I could see him going 15-25.
Depends, he could also come up with a massive WJC.

He tends to play outstanding with better linemates. Plus he's been good internationally so far.

I agree he'll likely drop, it's just a matter of how far.

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10-29-2012, 03:10 AM
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We need to take a flyer on Curtis Lazar. The kid is a guaranteed star.

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We need to take a flyer on Curtis Lazar. The kid is a guaranteed star.
If he's a guaranteed star, is it really a flyer then?

Looks like there is a lot of talent in the top 10, I think I would be happy with any of the following:

Mackinnon, Jones, Barkov, Monahan, Lindholm, Lazar, Drouin, Ristolainen, Pulock.

Now we just need to hope that we get some luck during the lottery if there isn't a season and get a top pick.

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so far, it sounds like the top 3 are the elite talent in this draft

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While Ryan Pulock is the Manitoba-born D getting lots of attention and rightfully so, how is Madison Bowey looking out in Kelowna? While he is still rated relatively high, I recall not too far back there being chatter about him possibly being a top-10, top-15 type of talent.

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so far, it sounds like the top 3 are the elite talent in this draft
That's what it's looking like. MacKinnon, Barkov and Jones then there's a sizable dropoff to the the rest of the talent, much of it is still very interchangeable after that.

But there's lots of depth in this draft. 4-12 looks to be very well off, and all the way through 45-50 you have plenty of good prospects. It's certainly the deepest year since 08 from what I can tell at this point. (Which, btw, is one of ATL's biggest screw up's, with a draft that deep to screw it up so completely other than Bogosian (which in hindsight even then might be considered a mistake passing on Pietrangelo) )


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That's what it's looking like. MacKinnon, Barkov and Jones then there's a sizable dropoff to the the rest of the talent, much of it is still very interchangeable after that.

But there's lots of depth in this draft. 4-12 looks to be very well off, and all the way through 45-50 you have plenty of good prospects. It's certainly the deepest year since 08 from what I can tell at this point. (Which, btw, is one of ATL's biggest screw up's, with a draft that deep to screw it up so completely other than Bogosian (which in hindsight even then might be considered a mistake passing on Pietrangelo) )
I would even say that Bogosian was a total screw up. You can't take his Winnipeg improvement into account since it *may* have never happened in ATL...

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Does anyone follow Owen Sound? Chris Bigras looks to me to be a guy we could use one of our second round picks on, from what I can find.

He has 11 points and is +14 in 14 games, playing the shut down pairing on the team in the OHL that has allowed the fewest goals against.

It's a small sample size, but I think he might be a good one come draft day. If anyone knows anything about him I'd love to hear it.

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Nice year for us to be loaded in the draft 1 x 1st round, 3 x 2nd round (I believe?), and 2 x 3rd round and that may grow depending on if we have a season and of we have a chance to make the playoffs or not.

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Nice year for us to be loaded in the draft 1 x 1st round, 3 x 2nd round (I believe?), and 2 x 3rd round and that may grow depending on if we have a season and of we have a chance to make the playoffs or not.
Yes re the 3 x 2 , was confirmed , reported by the FP and on1290 and AI, so we have confirmation for the compensation for the Leveille pick



http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...ultan-leveille

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We need to take a flyer on Curtis Lazar. The kid is a guaranteed star.
I've actually been saying for awhile now I have a hunch he's the kid we get. Obviously a lot depends on where we pick, etc., I just am going to place early bets that Lazar ends up being a Jet based on random feeling.

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Yes re the 3 x 2 , was confirmed , reported by the FP and on1290 and AI, so we have confirmation for the compensation for the Leveille pick



http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...ultan-leveille
This felt good at the time and definitely feels like a huge win now in retrospect. If the shoe was on the other foot I would be pi55ed.


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Yes re the 3 x 2 , was confirmed , reported by the FP and on1290 and AI, so we have confirmation for the compensation for the Leveille pick



http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...ultan-leveille
Just imagine: by some huge stroke of luck (assuming there's no season), we end up picking 1st overall via the lottery, + have 3 2nds and 2 3rds in a deep draft.

The Jets would have to buy some new cupboards, as the old ones would be overflowing.

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Just imagine: by some huge stroke of luck (assuming there's no season), we end up picking 1st overall via the lottery, + have 3 2nds and 2 3rds in a deep draft.

The Jets would have to buy some new cupboards, as the old ones would be overflowing.
I think the best case scenario (assuming the NHL follows what they did last draft after a lockout and keeps the "snake" format), would be for the Jets to get the 1st pick (duh), and the Hawks to get pick 30.

That way our picks would be:

1 - (our 1st)
31 - (Hawks 2nd)
59 - (Compensation pick)
60 - (our 2nd)
61 - (our 3rd)
90 - (Hawks 3rd)


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I think the best case scenario (assuming the NHL follows what they did last draft after a lockout and keeps the "snake" format), would be for the Jets to get the 1st pick (duh), and the Hawks to get pick 30.

That way our picks would be:

1 - Jets
31 - Hawks
59 - Jets (Compensation pick)
60 - Jets (our 2nd)
61 - Jets (our 3rd)
90 - Hawks (3rd)
Minor thing, but in this case the Jets 2nd pick would be 61st, 3rd would be 62nd and Hawks 3rd would be 91st. Since the 59th in an additional second thrown into the draft, therefore bumping all subsequent picks. And that's assuming all CHL/Europe 2011 1st round picks are signed (I do not know if they are).

And again, assuming the CBA does not change for this. I know one of the NHL offers DID have a change in length of time you hold onto prospects drafted out of Europe, so they are talking at least somewhat about draft pick rights/compensation.

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Just imagine: by some huge stroke of luck (assuming there's no season), we end up picking 1st overall via the lottery, + have 3 2nds and 2 3rds in a deep draft.

The Jets would have to buy some new cupboards, as the old ones would be overflowing.
That would be sweet! On the down side, they probably are losing out on receiving a pick or an asset of some sort for Ron Hainsey at the Trade deadline.

In my opinion, Antropov would likely be re-signed before Hainsey.

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Minor thing, but in this case the Jets 2nd pick would be 61st, 3rd would be 62nd and Hawks 3rd would be 91st. Since the 59th in an additional second thrown into the draft, therefore bumping all subsequent picks. And that's assuming all CHL/Europe 2011 1st round picks are signed (I do not know if they are).

And again, assuming the CBA does not change for this. I know one of the NHL offers DID have a change in length of time you hold onto prospects drafted out of Europe, so they are talking at least somewhat about draft pick rights/compensation.
You're right Holden, thanks for that. Still, having 5 picks in the top 62 would be pretty good.

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You're right Holden, thanks for that. Still, having 5 picks in the top 62 would be pretty good.
I have feelilng Chevy might move some picks too. Package picks to move up a few spots for a guy he likes, or move back if there is still a deep pool where they are picking for more picks.

This just seems like a draft where i see the Jets coming out of it with 4 or more guys that will be great contributors to the team's success in the future.

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Well if we are lucky for this to happen I would like!

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I think the best case scenario (assuming the NHL follows what they did last draft after a lockout and keeps the "snake" format), would be for the Jets to get the 1st pick (duh), and the Hawks to get pick 30.

That way our picks would be:

1 - (our 1st)
31 - (Hawks 2nd)
59 - (Compensation pick)
60 - (our 2nd)
61 - (our 3rd)
90 - (Hawks 3rd)

Draft McKinnon with the first
Then draft Bo horvat with the 31st
Then take 2 defenseman and a flyer with the next 3 draft


2 years out the jets line will be ( when joki, poni , wellwood and Antropov leaves)

Kane schiefele wheeler
Ladd burmistrov little
Lowry McKinnon telegin
Cormier slater machachek

With sutter, klinberg, kosmachuk horvat waiting on the wings forwards will be set
You got size, speed, elite scoring, skills, grit, sand paper and depth


Enstrom byfuglien
Redmond bogosian
Postma Trouba

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Draft McKinnon with the first
Then draft Bo horvat with the 31st
Then take 2 defenseman and a flyer with the next 3 draft


2 years out the jets line will be ( when joki, poni , wellwood and Antropov leaves)

Kane schiefele wheeler
Ladd burmistrov little
Lowry McKinnon telegin
Cormier slater machachek

With sutter, klinberg, kosmachuk horvat waiting on the wings forwards will be set
You got size, speed, elite scoring, skills, grit, sand paper and depth


Enstrom byfuglien
Redmond bogosian
Postma Trouba

Stuart
Two years out, MacKinnon would be the best center in that group. Jets draft MacKinnon, he'll be paired with Kane in hopes they have a high octane, offensive chemistry.

So basically, move MacKinnon to the #1 slot, and slide Scheifele and Burmi down, imo. Then it looks pretty nice.

Trouba, imo, will be higher on the depth chart than Redmond once he leaves college.

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I do hope that with all of the early draft picks in the upcoming draft the Jets will put good effort and resources into scouting Europe and Russia too. Ignoring that pool of talent is a bad strategy in the long term.

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I think we need someone who can put the puck in the net with our first pick this year. I really think we should take a real long look at Shinkurk, exceptional speed and a leathal shot. He also plays a responsable two/way game. Not interested in Laser to be honest, he's off to a terrible start and imo likely tops out as a third line winger. We already have Lowry, Klingberg and Kosmachuk in the system who all bring similar elements to the table. I wouldnt mind Drouin either, but he is more of a playmaker.

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Development is never linear, so you won't really know who will pass who and when in the depth charts. Never over estimate the time to transfer to pro efficiently and never underestimate the strength in producing at a pro-level over amateur levels.

That being said, I agree with many that our biggest need is an elite scoring C or RW (another post to follow)

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