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10-29-2012, 08:22 PM
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I would be looking for something like this:

Luongo, Schroeder

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Bjugstad, Petrovic, 1st round pick
Yeah, we know. You're easily the most ambitious of us in regards to the Lu return. That deserves both praise and criticism, so allow me to extend to you and

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10-29-2012, 08:22 PM
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I would be looking for something like this:

Luongo, Schroeder

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Bjugstad, Petrovic, 1st round pick
Dale Tallon has made it clear he won't trade Involve Bjugstad alone for Luongo and your expecting not only Petrovic with him but a first rounder too? That's just ludicrous homerism. Your trying to take two of the five prospects that make our future look so bright for a middle aged goalie and there's zero chance that'll ever happen. You are aware Keanan has been gone for awhile right?

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10-29-2012, 08:34 PM
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Dale Tallon has made it clear he won't trade Involve Bjugstad alone for Luongo and your expecting not only Petrovic with him but a first rounder too? That's just ludicrous homerism. Your trying to take two of the five prospects that make our future look so bright for a middle aged goalie and there's zero chance that'll ever happen. You are aware Keanan has been gone for awhile right?
You also get a very good prospect in Jordan Schroeder in return as well.

Fair enough though. Jacob Markstrom appears to be struggling a lot this year, coming off of 2 knee surgeries in the past year as well. I wonder if Tallon's position will change.

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What about

Edmonton
Roberto Luongo
Jordan Schroeder
1st Round Pick (conditional on # of gp for Hemsky)

Vancouver
Ales Hemsky
Sam Gagner
1st Round (top 10 protected)
Actually a pretty decent deal

Only problem that could arise is that Oilers have no 2 line center behind RNH. Unless Hall can fill that role.

Also Im not to familar with schroeder, is he more defensively minded? Could he play 2 line center in 2013/2014 with Yakupov and MPS on his wing and provide some offense?

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10-29-2012, 08:43 PM
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Actually a pretty decent deal

Only problem that could arise is that Oilers have no 2 line center behind RNH. Unless Hall can fill that role.

Also Im not to familar with schroeder, is he more defensively minded?
He has top-6 potential, but hes really rounded out his defensive game last season and this season.

Offensively he hasnt exactly torn up the AHL but most people think its more circumstancial than his ability.

Lots of people pencilled him in at 3C for Vancouver this season.

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10-29-2012, 08:44 PM
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I can't see Edmonton taking on Luongo's contract without moving Dubnyk, and given that they've just signed him to a three year, 3.5m deal, makes it much less likely.

If he was 5 years younger, maybe. He's 33 this year, and will likely be 36-37 by the time that Edmonton becomes a real contender. It would be a huge gamble, and at this stage of the rebuild, likely too much risk for Edmonton to take.

I think he's going to Florida.
I'm sure Dubnyk has a bit of value around the league, especially to a team like Chicago.

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I'm sure Dubnyk has a bit of value around the league, especially to a team like Chicago.
Another reason I can't see Edmonton moving him. He's relatively young, cheap, and was an acceptable goalie playing behind Cam Barker and Corey Potter. When Andy Sutton is part of your top six, you have a few issues. Fortunately, Edmonton seems to have picked up a good defender in the off season, and Whitney sounds like he might actually be healthy.

I'd bet the "Wow" that came from Stauffer today relates to a defenseman - not Luongo.

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I would be looking for something like this:

Luongo, Schroeder

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Bjugstad, Petrovic, 1st round pick
I would be looking for that too, but then I would wake up and smell the coffee.

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Actually a pretty decent deal

Only problem that could arise is that Oilers have no 2 line center behind RNH. Unless Hall can fill that role.

Also Im not to familar with schroeder, is he more defensively minded? Could he play 2 line center in 2013/2014 with Yakupov and MPS on his wing and provide some offense?
i feel this is too much going to Edm, but would do it if we dropped the Canucks 1st
just too much risk giving a young powerhouse team an all-star goalie ... if their D clicked, they could win the cup in the next 3 years

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i feel this is too much going to Edm, but would do it if we dropped the Canucks 1st
just too much risk giving a young powerhouse team an all-star goalie ... if their D clicked, they could win the cup in the next 3 years
Don't worry EDM will not be doing this deal for the reasons explained earlier.

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IIRC Gillis can't even approach Luongo even if he wanted at this point because it's illegal for them to talk with no CBA in place although I could be wrong here. Maybe someone could clarify, I just remember something being said on sportsnet recently that was something along those lines.


They would not be able to talk now. Not while the CBA is still up in the air. However, Luongo does mention that he was not yet approached to waive his NTC, for any team... which does go against some of the rumours floating around.

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10-29-2012, 09:46 PM
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They would not be able to talk now. Not while the CBA is still up in the air. However, Luongo does mention that he was not yet approached to waive his NTC, for any team... which does go against some of the rumours floating around.
Why would Gillis approach Luongo about waiving his NTC when it's obvious nobody has offered Gillis close to what he wants?

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10-29-2012, 09:48 PM
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Why would Gillis approach Luongo about waiving his NTC when it's obvious nobody has offered Gillis close to what he wants?
Exactly. Although I'd suppose it's possible he's worked out a deal in principle, but they can't ask Luongo if he'll waive until after the new CBA goes through as well.

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10-29-2012, 09:51 PM
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If Luo gets dealt within be division the Oilers will not pay the price required, I am not interested in Hemsky, Gagner are players the Canucks shouldn't be intersted in.

Hemsky is injury prone (only ever finished 1 season) and had broken 20 goals only twice,not to mention is he WAAAAAAAAY overpaid and overrated by the Oilers. Kulemin is a better player/fit for what we need and for almost half the cap hit.

Gagner doesn't give us an upgrade on Booth/Raymond/Higgins.

The only pieces I'd want or would consider trading Luongo for are the ones EDM won't give up.


Chicago I would take slightly less value than what I'd demand from EDM. As in Bolland, Hjlmarsson + pick for Luongo +

Any teams in the east pay less of a premium because we would see much less if him. I for one would love to play elite goalies less so if we can move him out of the west that's great.

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Overpayment from division rivals is overrated imo. Although if I really had to, I would make Chicago pay more becuase they're more of a competitor.

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10-29-2012, 09:59 PM
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Exactly. Although I'd suppose it's possible he's worked out a deal in principle, but they can't ask Luongo if he'll waive until after the new CBA goes through as well.
It's a fact that there is some type of agreement between Luongo and Gillis that a deal will get done eventually. Luongo wouldn't be so calm if there wasn't. But GM's don't approach players about waiving their NTC until after a deal is in place.

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Overpayment from division rivals is overrated imo. Although if I really had to, I would make Chicago pay more becuase they're more of a competitor.
So you're ok with giving a team we will play 6 or more times a year an elite goalie?

While we are at it lets trade Kesler to Calgary to play with Iginila and the Sedins to Minny to play with Parise...

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Overpayment from division rivals is overrated imo. Although if I really had to, I would make Chicago pay more becuase they're more of a competitor.
I agree with you when considering skaters, however I feel goaltending is a separate issue. I would never want to trade a top 5 goalie to a team in our division with elite offensive talent, unless the return was ridiculous.

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Why would Gillis approach Luongo about waiving his NTC when it's obvious nobody has offered Gillis close to what he wants?
Ummm he wouldn't...

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So you're ok with giving a team we will play 6 or more times a year an elite goalie?

While we are at it lets trade Kesler to Calgary to play with Iginila and the Sedins to Minny to play with Parise...
The problem is the Oilers don't have the defense to be a playoff team right now.

By the time the Oilers are a consistent playoff team and a Cup contender, you won't have to worry about Luongo being "elite" anymore.

Which is probably why the Oilers would likely never go anywhere near him.

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The problem is the Oilers don't have the defense to be a playoff team right now.

By the time the Oilers are a consistent playoff team and a Cup contender, you won't have to worry about Luongo being "elite" anymore.

Which is probably why the Oilers would likely never go anywhere near him.

Better get on the phone with Tambellini then because they have been mentioned in rumours. Even speculating on the strength of the offer being greater than that of TO's...

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Better get on the phone with Tambellini then because they have been mentioned in rumours. Even speculating on the strength of the offer being greater than that of TO's...
There is a vast difference between rumours and useless speculation.

Not a single reporter, radio host, blogger, etc. has even mentioned anything in Edmonton that they are interested in Luongo, and if there was interest someone would be talking about it, especially if an offer was made.

Don't you find it strange all the "rumours" come from the same place?

The Oilers just signed a young goal to 3.5 million, trading for Luongo makes less than no sense on many different levels.

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Better get on the phone with Tambellini then because they have been mentioned in rumours. Even speculating on the strength of the offer being greater than that of TO's...
By Botchford IIRC, however this has been dismissed as bs by Bob Stauffer on Oilers Now and he is about as connected to the team as you can get.
I would hazard a guess that this is Gillis playing Burke at his own media games whilst trying to drive up the price for Luongo (and who could blame him?)

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If Luo gets dealt within be division the Oilers will not pay the price required, I am not interested in Hemsky, Gagner are players the Canucks shouldn't be intersted in.

Hemsky is injury prone (only ever finished 1 season) and had broken 20 goals only twice,not to mention is he WAAAAAAAAY overpaid and overrated by the Oilers. Kulemin is a better player/fit for what we need and for almost half the cap hit.

Gagner doesn't give us an upgrade on Booth/Raymond/Higgins.

The only pieces I'd want or would consider trading Luongo for are the ones EDM won't give up.


Chicago I would take slightly less value than what I'd demand from EDM. As in Bolland, Hjlmarsson + pick for Luongo +

Any teams in the east pay less of a premium because we would see much less if him. I for one would love to play elite goalies less so if we can move him out of the west that's great.
So can we agree that a trade with Luongo heading to Edm is highly unlikely? - because as good as Luongo is, it just makes no sense from our side at this stage.
Thanks.

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If Luo gets dealt within be division the Oilers will not pay the price required, I am not interested in Hemsky, Gagner are players the Canucks shouldn't be intersted in.

Hemsky is injury prone (only ever finished 1 season) and had broken 20 goals only twice,not to mention is he WAAAAAAAAY overpaid and overrated by the Oilers. Kulemin is a better player/fit for what we need and for almost half the cap hit.

Gagner doesn't give us an upgrade on Booth/Raymond/Higgins.

The only pieces I'd want or would consider trading Luongo for are the ones EDM won't give up.


Chicago I would take slightly less value than what I'd demand from EDM. As in Bolland, Hjlmarsson + pick for Luongo +

Any teams in the east pay less of a premium because we would see much less if him. I for one would love to play elite goalies less so if we can move him out of the west that's great.
Hjlmarsson is a player you keep suggesting, but is someone Canucks just do not need. Vancouvers defence is pretty much set with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Garrison, Ballard, Tanev, Alberts. The only defenceman we would trade is Ballard, but his value is to low to make it worthwhile. Bolland is a good piece. I think that if we are trading with Chicago though we should be asking for Hossa or Sharp. I know many Chicago fans do not like this, but they are loaded up front and goaltending would really complete that team. Trading a star for a star is what it boils down to.

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