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10-30-2012, 11:33 AM
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On a side note Tim Stapleton is the 16th leading scorer in the KHL and only two guys in the league have scored more goals. always happy to see one of the good guys doing well.
Not so sure little Timmy got enough respect from the Jets organization, Tim played almost 20 less games than Burmi but was only 1 point shy of him in points, Tim played about 15 games less than Tanner Glass yet almost doubled his point total.

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10-30-2012, 12:58 PM
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Not so sure little Timmy got enough respect from the Jets organization, Tim played almost 20 less games than Burmi but was only 1 point shy of him in points, Tim played about 15 games less than Tanner Glass yet almost doubled his point total.
From what I hear his exit interview went really well with TNSE. Tim was in a tough position though because TNSE could not make any promises for 2012-13 until they got all their free agent shopping done and the KHL season starts early so Tim couldn't wait. Glad its working out well for him in Minsk.

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10-30-2012, 01:00 PM
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From what I hear his exit interview went really well with TNSE. Tim was in a tough position though because TNSE could not make any promises for 2012-13 until they got all their free agent shopping done and the KHL season starts early so Tim couldn't wait. Glad its working out well for him in Minsk.
I hope he comes back. Stranger things have happened.

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10-30-2012, 02:02 PM
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Not so sure little Timmy got enough respect from the Jets organization, Tim played almost 20 less games than Burmi but was only 1 point shy of him in points, Tim played about 15 games less than Tanner Glass yet almost doubled his point total.
Yay, something to do through the lockout!! Analysis time! Comparing Stapleton, Burmistrov and Glass is interesting since all three were used completely differently from each other. (Kept it to Stapleton and Burmistrov, will add Glass to comparison IF people actually want)

First let's get a graphical idea of their usage, curtesy of Eric.T from nhlnumbers.com:

As you can see Noel kept Stapleton away from tough opponents like you'd try to keep from the plague. Also, other teams coaches didn't find Stapleton a threat so they placed their 3rd pairing D against him. Burmistrov saw about average competition but was slightly sheltered from tough forwards thanks to GST taking some of the workload there.

Now for some tables of information from behindthenet.com:

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NameG A P RelQoC RelCorsi PDO TOI/60 G/60 A1/60
Stapleton 7 12 19 -1.245 -7.6 1012 8.32 0.69 0.57
Burmistrov 12 13 25 -0.781 7.9 994 13.2 0.60 0.42
Both were given "offensive" minutes being high o-zone guys but Stapleton was much more sheltered. As noted by others, his defensive weaknesses is shown here by his weak RelCorsi#'s. Also noted by others, he does have offensive skills and did produce similarly to Burmistrov relative to time on ice.

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NameG A P RelQoC RelCorsi PDO TOI/60 G/60 A1/60 OnIceSH%
Stapleton 4 7 11 -2.387 8.00 985 1.63 1.76 2.34 19.54
Burmistrov 1 2 3 -2.779 -11.9 1000 1.22 0.65 0.00 15.38
Here's where a lot of those points that brought them closer together in the end. Stapleton received more PP and rightfully so since he was one of our top producers (debatable if by skill, luck or combination). Interesting to see that, even though Stapleton benefited from a huuuge OnIceSH%, he has a weak PDO (which is just OnIceSH% + OnIceSV%)... which makes sense since most of us remember Stapleton getting lots of PP points as a shooter on the point but also getting caught as a poor defensemen, allowing a lot of short handed goals.

IMHO
At 30 years old Stapleton was good for our team's depth shaped out last season -- 3rd checking/grit line with 4th line being an offensive sheltered line -- and a solid PP option... But, I don't think he'd fit in a top9 system which our team is shaping out to be (for whenever the next season may be). He's not solid enough defensively to be on the third line and the fourth line will probably now be looked for small grit/energy minutes which fits better for players like Cormier, Slater, Thorburn, and Machacek.

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10-30-2012, 02:22 PM
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At 30 years old Stapleton was good for our team's depth shaped out last season -- 3rd checking/grit line with 4th line being an offensive sheltered line -- and a solid PP option... But, I don't think he'd fit in a top9 system which our team is shaping out to be (for whenever the next season may be). He's not solid enough defensively to be on the third line and the fourth line will probably now be looked for small grit/energy minutes which fits better for players like Cormier, Slater, Thorburn, and Machacek.
He may be 30 - but he looks like he's 15. I say he has another 10 years left in the tank.

Probably the fastest 30+ year-old guy in the NHL last year. I for one enjoyed watching him play. Gave it 110% each shift.

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10-30-2012, 03:27 PM
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Yay, something to do through the lockout!! Analysis time! Comparing Stapleton, Burmistrov and Glass is interesting since all three were used completely differently from each other. (Kept it to Stapleton and Burmistrov, will add Glass to comparison IF people actually want)
Yeah I know they all played different roles, Glass wasn't there to score but I don't if he was a great shut down guy or penalty killer either, kind of glad he's moved on. There is no denying Burmi's point total was disappointing when a journeyman like little Timmy basically equaled his point total with a quarter less games.

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Yeah I know they all played different roles, Glass wasn't there to score but I don't if he was a great shut down guy or penalty killer either, kind of glad he's moved on. There is no denying Burmi's point total was disappointing when a journeyman like little Timmy basically equaled his point total with a quarter less games.
Though i can kind of a agree, there is some denying Burris point total when you consider what was stated above, quality of competition + power play time.

The different treatment between the two was significant. Don't get me wrong, i'd hoped Burmi would put up more points (that hot start was a huge tease) but knowing the situation (the difference in power play minutes, and quality of comp between burmi and stapler) really does dial any "disappointment" back considerably. Maybe it doesn't for you, but it certainly puts it in perspective for me (kind of like how you could potentially make the case that stomachache is a better hockey player then sidney crosby)

Also, i was not a fan of glass, at least not in the third line role he was playing. much rather have the third line we a should have now and a fourth line of future third liners/utility scrapping it out.

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10-30-2012, 06:14 PM
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Yeah I know they all played different roles, Glass wasn't there to score but I don't if he was a great shut down guy or penalty killer either, kind of glad he's moved on. There is no denying Burmi's point total was disappointing when a journeyman like little Timmy basically equaled his point total with a quarter less games.
Sorry, I just meant that comparing different role players is fun for me to do since it's semi-abstract. I like doing this stuff and was saying you were giving me something enjoyable to do haha. That said...

Agreed 100% about Glass. I have never been very kind to our GST line. They were one of, if not the, weakest checking line in almost all measurements known. Neither Glass nor Thorburn bring anything more than energy, grit, fighting and character. Now, I think those things have an affect on the game and can be important but suit 4-7 mins 4th liners, not 10-14 min 3rd line shutdown guys. Slater brings excellent face-offs and a solid offensive upside for a bottom 6 when paired with other players (WC anyone?), so I don't group him with the other two as much.

I wouldn't say Stapleton basically equaled points with a quarter less games is a strong comparison because:
*Burmistrov had a lot tougher minutes to get the points he did
*Stapleton was being out played by 4th liners + 3rd pairing D, while Burmi was outplaying 3rd liners + 2nd pairing D
*A lot of Stapleton's points came from the PP where he was used at the point, subtract this and their pts/min and pts/gp are identical

I agree though, it would of been amazing if he was able to keep up the early season production, but I think it was really luck driven and set our hopes too high. Relative to the previous season, Burmi improved his 5v5 goal scoring rate more than anyone on the team except Kane, and improved his 5v5 primary assist rate more than anyone on the team except Bogosian. That shows development to me and that's what matters to me with the youngin's.

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10-31-2012, 10:47 AM
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Former Jets player (despite the article saying otherwise ), but still a pretty neat story about Johnny Oduya playing at a tournament in Thailand.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/1...oute-thailand/

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11-02-2012, 02:27 PM
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Wheeler got a game-misconduct during his first game for munich, because of a knee-check....after 9 minutes into the game.

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Wheeler got a game-misconduct during his first game for munich, because of a knee-check....after 9 minutes into the game.
Not normally a dirty player....I am a bit suprised!

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Not normally a dirty player....I am a bit suprised!
Knee-to-knee's can happen though from someone last minute dodging a check (see Scheifele in 3rd game of Russia series this summer).

But it is funny when you think about it....
"hey our team got an NHL player"
"oh really sweet!! let's go watch"
...9 mins in...
"oh"
"****"

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Knee-to-knee's can happen though from someone last minute dodging a check (see Scheifele in 3rd game of Russia series this summer).

But it is funny when you think about it....
"hey our team got an NHL player"
"oh really sweet!! let's go watch"
...9 mins in...
"oh"
"****"
Yea I would need to see the hit I would highly doubt it is intentional. yea hopefully know Wheeler fans made the commute

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You can see the knee on knee hit here

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How's paves been doing lately?

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If he keeps up his goal scoring pace Burmi should end up with 8 or 9 goals in a full AHL season. Really thought he would tear up the AHL, 1 goal in 10 games ain't good.

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If he keeps up his goal scoring pace Burmi should end up with 8 or 9 goals in a full AHL season. Really thought he would tear up the AHL, 1 goal in 10 games ain't good.
He has 29 shots for a shooting percentage of 3%. That's bound to rise if he keeps getting pucks to the night. Bad puck luck

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Eric Fehr is scoring again: 5GP, 3G, 3A
Also Enstrom has a goal: 5GP, 1G, 0A
Pavs is almost at 90%

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2012/...l-lockout-2012

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Evander Kane 11gp 1g 0a -6

I`m surprised he hasnt been kicked from the team yet...

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Evander Kane 11gp 1g 0a -6

I`m surprised he hasnt been kicked from the team yet...
36 shots in 11 games is similar rates to what he was doing here... the points will come in time

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36 shots in 11 games is similar rates to what he was doing here... the points will come in time
Good. He will get things rolling just in time for the Jets home opener

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36 shots in 11 games is similar rates to what he was doing here... the points will come in time

In KHL they arent exactly known for being patient if a guy earning A LOT is producing < 0.1/g. No matter how much he is shooting. I`m actually surprised he hasn`t got even a secondary assist. Haven`t been following him much live but is he the kinda guy that shoots even if a teammate is in a better position?

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So is Pavelec still getting light up like a Christmas tree?

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So is Pavelec still getting light up like a Christmas tree?
He's been doing a bit better lately:

GameDateOpponentGFGAWLMinShotsGAGA (AVG)SavesSV%SV% (AVG)
194.11.2012ZLN vs LIB51W603213.213196.8888.27
182.11.2012LIB vs PLZ18L241543.381173.3387.61
1230.10.2012LIB vs KOM32W602823.332692.8688.80
1728.10.2012CHM vs LIB23L603733.453491.8988.43
1626.10.2012LIB vs CEB26L604163.503585.3788.08
1523.10.2012SPA vs LIB13L593223.223093.7588.39
1319.10.2012VIT vs LIB51W604413.384397.7387.72
1112.10.2012KVA vs LIB31W602113.712095.2486.28
107.10.2012PCE vs LIB26L533444.173088.2484.79
82.10.2012LIB vs SLA46L261444.201071.4384.10
730.9.2012TRI vs LIB45L643854.253386.8487.27
526.9.2012PLZ vs LIB34L654044.003690.0087.42
423.9.2012LIB vs CHM25L603454.002985.2986.13
321.9.2012CEB vs LIB14L572333.002086.9686.96

If you look at the last 8 games, he's 4W 4L, 90.88 SV%, and 2.50 GA.

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