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10-30-2012, 01:59 PM
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Junior Nelson brings up a great point about Davidson in CLB. It changes the perception there. As well as bringing in hard working talent like Foligno and Dubinsky. CLB is on the rise IMO.


For available pieces, I look at their left side defense, first and foremost. They are stacked there. Maybe Moore becomes available because they have Murray and Erixon in the pipeline. The only right-side D I think they trade is Golobeuf.


Brassard stays IMO. Arniel is no longer there so he should return to form. Further, their C position isn't strong enough to deal him. They have a good thing with Brassard, Anisimov and Johanson down the middle. I think they'll keep it that way.


Moore/Erixon + LA's 1st is a great start to any package coming back. They have the assets. All that's left is to see where Bobrovsky is at in terms of development.
The Canucks don't need anymore unproven left side defensemen though. Unless there's an upgrade on what we already have, I don't see a point.

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10-30-2012, 02:06 PM
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There is a vast difference between rumours and useless speculation.

Not a single reporter, radio host, blogger, etc. has even mentioned anything in Edmonton that they are interested in Luongo, and if there was interest someone would be talking about it, especially if an offer was made.

Don't you find it strange all the "rumours" come from the same place?

The Oilers just signed a young goal to 3.5 million, trading for Luongo makes less than no sense on many different levels.
Yea i would also like a link to all these rumours. Or will it just be that one some story getting passed around?

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It makes sense from a winning point of view, not a structure pov. Meaning, compromise structure to win now. Tambellini has already shown he values goaltending, and that he's not averse to bringing in aged starters. Further, he's got a young core that's not fond of losing. What better time to provide them with a safety net, and better their development?



You also have to look at it from a UFA standpoint. EDM is not in on the mid-aged + late-aged UFA market because of their recent record. The team just drafted 1st overall again, and I doubt good UFAs view the Oilers as ready to compete... Bringing in an elite goaltender and winning games might change that perception. It makes them viable. Even with a young core.



Lastly, Nonis+Tambellini orchestrated Luongo coming to VAN. If Tambo wasn't a fan, it never would have happened. I think he understands acutely what it meant to reshaping VAN's roster, and what it could mean to teams looking for stability.
Being a fan in 2007 or whenever it was Bobby Lou came to the canucks and being a fan of the 2012 version signed for 50 years is completely different

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There is no way that a team that is essentially rebuilding, will send two prospects and a first round pick for a 33 year old goaltender, no matter how good he is. It just isn't a good fit at this time. It needs to be to a team that thinks they are just a couple of pieces away from competing, and needs a goalie. Cross Columbus off the list.

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10-30-2012, 02:34 PM
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There is no way that a team that is essentially rebuilding, will send two prospects and a first round pick for a 33 year old goaltender, no matter how good he is. It just isn't a good fit at this time. It needs to be to a team that thinks they are just a couple of pieces away from competing, and needs a goalie. Cross Columbus off the list.
I would, except we have absolutely no idea of how close Howson views his team to competing.

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There is no way that a team that is essentially rebuilding, will send two prospects and a first round pick for a 33 year old goaltender, no matter how good he is. It just isn't a good fit at this time. It needs to be to a team that thinks they are just a couple of pieces away from competing, and needs a goalie. Cross Columbus off the list.


Do rebuilding teams spend to the cap?

CLB got "now" pieces in the Rick Nash deal because they want to do something now. Not years from now.


The move to get Davidson is very telling. St. Louis brought him in to stabilize management. Then Armstrong emerged from the group to take over in St Louis. The same could happen here. He is the check to Howson... Meaning, I think ownership wants to see some progression now.


Edit: Oh, and Dreger reported them to have talked to Gillis at the draft about Luongo.

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10-30-2012, 03:17 PM
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Do rebuilding teams spend to the cap?

CLB got "now" pieces in the Rick Nash deal because they want to do something now. Not years from now.
Erixon and a 1st in 2013 is a now trade? Dubinsky and Anisimov... a couple of 40 point players so far in their careers... hardly suggests they are the final pieces in a cup run for a DFL team that got 65 points last year. Cap Geek shows them with $13 million in cap space, is that spending to the cap?

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Erixon and a 1st in 2013 is a now trade? Dubinsky and Anisimov... a couple of 40 point players so far in their careers... hardly suggests they are the final pieces in a cup run for a DFL team that got 65 points last year. Cap Geek shows them with $13 million in cap space, is that spending to the cap?
3 out of the 4 pieces they got will be in the NHL whenever it gets going.

When you're a franchise that has made the playoffs once in history it's not cup or bust, making the playoffs is a big deal. Making the playoffs two, three, four years in a row would be a huge deal.

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There is a vast difference between rumours and useless speculation.

Not a single reporter, radio host, blogger, etc. has even mentioned anything in Edmonton that they are interested in Luongo, and if there was interest someone would be talking about it, especially if an offer was made.

Don't you find it strange all the "rumours" come from the same place?

The Oilers just signed a young goal to 3.5 million, trading for Luongo makes less than no sense on many different levels.
they are all out of Vancouver or from bloggers with Canuck links--but we are not to suggest that Gillis is the source in an attempt to make the market large then it is

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......so Columbus have now become the target. Who's next?

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Edit: Oh, and Dreger reported them to have talked to Gillis at the draft about Luongo.
We're all pretty sure tire kicking went on from many teams; that is the least a GM can do.

The main question still remains; how many teams have serious interest. That is where we end up with next to no teams.

The writing is on the wall; we can all try and pretend many teams are in a bidding war; but every rumour of such has been shut down. Florida an the Leafs thought the price was too high; every other rumoured team has been denied as having interest; along with not having a need.

All signs point to Luongo sticking with Vancouver; due to very little interest elsewhere. Unless the price sees a drastic slash; from the dreamt up wishlists being posted.

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10-30-2012, 05:02 PM
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Do rebuilding teams spend to the cap?

CLB got "now" pieces in the Rick Nash deal because they want to do something now. Not years from now.


The move to get Davidson is very telling. St. Louis brought him in to stabilize management. Then Armstrong emerged from the group to take over in St Louis. The same could happen here. He is the check to Howson... Meaning, I think ownership wants to see some progression now.


Edit: Oh, and Dreger reported them to have talked to Gillis at the draft about Luongo.
Columbus is rebuilding no doubt. The attempt to get better with the big Carter move was a disaster for them.

The Nash trade was mostly about futures BTW.

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We're all pretty sure tire kicking went on from many teams; that is the least a GM can do.

The main question still remains; how many teams have serious interest. That is where we end up with next to no teams.

The writing is on the wall; we can all try and pretend many teams are in a bidding war; but every rumour of such has been shut down. Florida an the Leafs thought the price was too high; every other rumoured team has been denied as having interest; along with not having a need.

All signs point to Luongo sticking with Vancouver; due to very little interest elsewhere. Unless the price sees a drastic slash; from the dreamt up wishlists being posted.

Yup. Vancouver is screwed. There's a reason Luongo hasn't been asked anything, has no no contact with Vancouver, and hasn't been asked to produce a list. Nothing is happening.

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The main question still remains; how many teams have serious interest. That is where we end up with next to no teams.
On HFboards. In real life GM's are paid to put together teams that win. Falling in love with prospects that have little chance of fulfilling their potential (because so few do) is something that's easy for fans to do but harder for GM's if they want to be around long.

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The Nash trade was mostly about futures BTW.
3 of the 4 peices will be in the NHL when it gets going.

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Yup. Vancouver is screwed.
If the playoff team keeping its players is screwed... what does that make a team that missed the playoffs and didn't improve?

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It's funny that Canuck fans taunted Leaf fans with "Why Would Luongo Waive His NTC to Toronto?" And now, they're so sure he'd gladly head to Columbus. I have to laugh.

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3 of the 4 peices will be in the NHL when it gets going.



If the playoff team keeping its players is screwed... what does that make a team that missed the playoffs and didn't improve?
Top blue chip prospect. The way Leaf fans have been told for years to build.

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It's funny that Canuck fans taunted Leaf fans with "Why Would Luongo Waive His NTC to Toronto?" And now, they're so sure he'd gladly head to Columbus. I have to laugh.
We were responding to Leafs fans saying "Why would he waive for Edmonton?"

IMHO, Edmonton>Toronto>Columbus on Luongo's wishlist.

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We were responding to Leafs fans saying "Why would he waive for Edmonton?"

IMHO, Edmonton>Toronto>Columbus on Luongo's wishlist.
Not the posts I read. It was brought up for no reason without Edmonton being mentioned.

And Edmonton needs to want Luongo. I don't see a fit.

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3 out of the 4 pieces they got will be in the NHL whenever it gets going.

When you're a franchise that has made the playoffs once in history it's not cup or bust, making the playoffs is a big deal. Making the playoffs two, three, four years in a row would be a huge deal.
Those pieces are currently 21, 24, and 26, and none of those players have hit their peak yet. There is nothing about those pieces or the Columbus line up that says win now. Their highest paid forward has a cap hit of 4.6. Oh...did anyone mention they just trade Nash away in his prime....why on Earth would they do that if they were in win now mode.

Columbus also just picked up Brobovsky, and I seriously doubt Columbus is willing to give up on both Brobovsky and Mason at this point.

Columbus is a very unlikely destination for either Vancouver goalie.

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Not the posts I read. It was brought up for no reason without Edmonton being mentioned.

And Edmonton needs to want Luongo. I don't see a fit.
I'm on mobile, so am not going to go searching for the posts, but I do remember some comments like that.

But let's get back on topic.

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Those pieces are currently 21, 24, and 26, and none of those players have hit their peak yet. There is nothing about those pieces or the Columbus line up that says win now. Their highest paid forward has a cap hit of 4.6. Oh...did anyone mention they just trade Nash away in his prime....why on Earth would they do that if they were in win now mode.

Columbus also just picked up Brobovsky, and I seriously doubt Columbus is willing to give up on both Brobovsky and Mason at this point.

Columbus is a very unlikely destination for either Vancouver goalie.
Because Rick Nash didn't want to be there?

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Because Rick Nash didn't want to be there?
Yeah because it's a horrible team. And Luongo will want to join that situation?

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Because Rick Nash didn't want to be there?
Then trade him for a single good piece then. The last thing Columbus needs to be in "win now" mode is to move a PPG player for yet more 40-60 p/g players. Columbus is not in win now mode.

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Then trade him for a single good piece then. The last thing Columbus needs to be in "win now" mode is to move a PPG player for yet more 40-60 p/g players. Columbus is not in win now mode.
I'm sure they tried, waiting as long as possible until it became obvious they weren't getting a better offer.

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