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10-30-2012, 10:11 PM
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Iggy has lost quite a bit of value the last couple years, but he is still a top line winger. If the Flames decide to move him at the deadline he would fetch a 1st++ pretty easily IMO. Prices at the deadline are always driven up, and a top line winger would be in high demand by quite a few contending teams. If Gaustad can fetch a 1st, then Iggy could easily get a lot more. I don't think Lack would quite do it, sorry.
I was only mentioning him as the starting point. Lack + 1st + Ballard or something like that, I dunno.

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10-30-2012, 10:19 PM
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This has been a fantastic thread, with good proposals and discussions and zero trolling. I am impressed

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10-30-2012, 10:24 PM
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St Louis doesn't consider it unless Edler gets resigned
And Vancouver doesn't consider it if he is re-signed.

The only reason this deal would go down is because Edler is a UFA.

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10-30-2012, 11:04 PM
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This has been a fantastic thread, with good proposals and discussions and zero trolling. I am impressed
Same here

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10-30-2012, 11:31 PM
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Yeah, I don't see Iggy coming cheap at all, specially not to the Canucks. Despite his style of play I think he's got the durability to last a few more years. Still a ways to go until he's ineffective and calls it quits.

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10-30-2012, 11:35 PM
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Also, isn't Iginla a LW? If we're going hard after someone, it should be a good all-round fit.

Perry it is.

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10-31-2012, 12:24 AM
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Also, isn't Iginla a LW? If we're going hard after someone, it should be a good all-round fit.

Perry it is.
I thought he was RW?
I personally have never liked perry because his last name is my first name

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10-31-2012, 01:12 AM
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Iginla is a RW, and I think he'd be a fantastic fit for our team, unfortunately with Iginla, the price it would take to acquire him would probably be much too great, and unlike Perry, Iginla doesn't have nearly as much time left.

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10-31-2012, 01:22 AM
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Not sure how realistic it is but i'll throw one out there

Cory Schneider
Kassian or Jensen
Brendan Gaunce

Phl Kessel
Tyler Bozak
Matt Finn
Take out Bozak and Kassian/Jensen an I would do it

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10-31-2012, 01:37 AM
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Take out Bozak and Kassian/Jensen an I would do it
Oh come on. You have to give to get.
EDIT: It's more fair to take out Finn, so two prospects are removed. That way we still get a 3C as well.

Although I'd still prefer Perry for 3 1sts, provided he's open to re-signing with us.

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10-31-2012, 01:43 AM
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Oh come on. You have to give to get.
EDIT: It's more fair to take out Finn, so two prospects are removed. That way we still get a 3C as well.

Although I'd still prefer Perry for 3 1sts, provided he's open to re-signing with us.
I'd be ok with this. Apparently you can actually negotiate and get a contract deal as long as you have the teams permission. I didn't know that before.

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10-31-2012, 01:45 AM
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I was only mentioning him as the starting point. Lack + 1st + Ballard or something like that, I dunno.
flames don't need lack. Ballard may have value to some teams, but he would have negative value to the flames. would rather keep Iggy and see him walk for nothing than trade him to a division rival for a late first.

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flames don't need lack. Ballard may have value to some teams, but he would have negative value to the flames. would rather keep Iggy and see him walk for nothing than trade him to a division rival for a late first.
I think if Iggy was going to be traded...it would have been last season. Feaster seems convinced that he can make a push to the playoffs with the team he's got.

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flames don't need lack. Ballard may have value to some teams, but he would have negative value to the flames. would rather keep Iggy and see him walk for nothing than trade him to a division rival for a late first.
That's fine. It's essentially a good-great prospect + 1st + serviceable salary dump(neccessary to take on Iggy's salary) for a rental, seeing as we don't have much of a chance at re-signing him.

But if we're trading futures for a star, I'd rather go all out for a star in his prime we have a chance to make a part of our core for years to come.

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Oh come on. You have to give to get.
EDIT: It's more fair to take out Finn, so two prospects are removed. That way we still get a 3C as well.

Although I'd still prefer Perry for 3 1sts, provided he's open to re-signing with us.
you do have to give to get but I'm a huge Schneider fan. 4/5 years ago I hyped Schnieder like no tomorrow. I said back then that in 5 years time Schneider would take over the starting job from Luongo. All my friends thought I was crazy seeing how Lou was an all star. I would say Schneider is just that good plus Luongo will be getting older which may affect his game. So in my opinion there isn't too big of a difference in value between him and Kessel. Gaunce is obviously worth more than Finn thats why he went in the 1st round and Finn in the 2nd.

I'm high on Jensen/Kassian as well.

I would rather trade Luongo for a 1st and a prospect then deal those and say Rodin for a deadline pickup

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10-31-2012, 09:29 AM
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So instead of getting a right wing to play with Kes we should move burrows down to keslers line and get a player to play with the twins.
Clowe is a player that comes to mind.
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Burrows is the reason why the Sedins are 100 points player.

Without him, both Sedins would go back to being 70-80pts players

it would be a big mistake to do that.

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Burrows is the reason why the Sedins are 100 points player.

Without him, both Sedins would go back to being 70-80pts players

it would be a big mistake to do that.
Unless you replace him with a better player

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Unless you replace him with a better player
Better player doesn't mean better chemistry.

Remember Bure and Mogilny?

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Kessel for Schneider I think is a pretty intriguing base for a deal.

Leafs have tons of wing depth, though Kessel is obviously the only pure sniper in there. But goaltending has been a huge problem for the Leafs for years. I think it's harder to get a legitimate franchise goalie than it is to add a talented winger, and I also think goaltending is more important.

I would be hesitant to include Finn in the deal though. He may have been drafted by Gaunce, but he's looking REALLY good right now, and if you average out all the predraft rankings, he was expected to go somewhere around ~15th-20th, so he may have been taken in the 2nd round, but I think his value is closer to a mid(ish) 1st rounder, especially since he's been one of the better players since the draft.

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10-31-2012, 10:46 AM
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Burrows is the reason why the Sedins are 100 points player.

Without him, both Sedins would go back to being 70-80pts players

it would be a big mistake to do that.
burrows is great, but he is not the main reason for the Sedins' success

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10-31-2012, 10:58 AM
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I was only mentioning him as the starting point. Lack + 1st + Ballard or something like that, I dunno.
Sure Calgary would love another big contract Dman who isn't worth the money.

Lack is great but would flame fans consider him an upgrade over Irving?

My guess is that the flames and their management would want a HR trade for Iggy and that isn't happening anymore.

Calgary had it's chance to move Iggy and it's pretty much over and let's hope it doesn't turn into a Sundin situation where he goes after it's too late, which it is.

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Burrows is the reason why the Sedins are 100 points player.

Without him, both Sedins would go back to being 70-80pts players

it would be a big mistake to do that.
Burrows is great, but no where close to being the reason for the Sedins success. In fact, last season both had a big drop in production due to losing Ehrhof on the PP. The Canucks scored at a rate of over 24% with Ehrhoff. The next season, they dropped to 19%. Still good, but it ended being about a drop in 10 points. With the loss of Daniel at the end of the season and the league wide drop in goals meant for a production drop from Henrik.

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burrows is great, but he is not the main reason for the Sedins' success
glad we settled that

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The twins were putting up 80 points with Taylor Pyatt on their line, it makes sense for them to increase that with any good player, and Burrows is definitely a good player. I think he gets a little too much credit because he's so much better than Pyatt, Klatt etc.

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That's fine. It's essentially a good-great prospect + 1st + serviceable salary dump(neccessary to take on Iggy's salary) for a rental, seeing as we don't have much of a chance at re-signing him.

But if we're trading futures for a star, I'd rather go all out for a star in his prime we have a chance to make a part of our core for years to come.

Virtually every team has a goalie prospect like Lack. The value isn't nearly what you think it is. Ballard has zero to negative value in this deal.

So it's essentially a late 1st plus garbage.

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