I agree with everyone who said that we were lucky to get a point tonight. It was clear we were quite tired from last night's game (which was a tough one) and we ran out of gas after a very solid 2nd period. Did anyone here Recchi's comments after the 2nd period? He talked about how the team feels comftorable with any refs out there except the two that did tonight's game. That call on Johnsson was one of the absolute worst calls that i've ever seen. He hardly touched him, it was the furthest thing from a slash that i've ever seen. Hackett was very very good and got us the point tonight and that's good to see when the team doesn't have gas.
Are you saying Rechi didnt dive? Give me a break dude. The refs werent great (they never are) but you guys got away with a ton of holding and hooking, and we got away with some slashes. All in all it wasnt that bad of a game officiating wise. To say the refs gave anyone a ton of help tonight is plain stupid.
He was diving after the puck. Are you trying to say that it was a good call? Two supposed veteran refs calling the game and they didn't do a good job at all. A blatant bad call out of spite is just crap. But, anything to send those brave Boston fans, who drove through a blizzard, home with at least a tie.
the Flyers didn't play a good game tonight (except for Hackett) and still got a point, in Boston. I'll take it.
BTW, I wanna know how you get called for a hook when the other guy dives. sounds like a bunch of crap to me. Like I always say, the NHL refs are the WORST officials in professional sports.
the Flyers didn't play a good game tonight (except for Hackett) and still got a point, in Boston. I'll take it.
BTW, I wanna know how you get called for a hook when the other guy dives. sounds like a bunch of crap to me. Like I always say, the NHL refs are the WORST officials in professional sports.
The call on Recchi was pretty bad, but I'm sure he received it in part due to this reputation.
The referees weren't too bad last night (although it's frustrating watching Weinrich and Johnsson get called for "slashing" in the first period and Joe Thornton bring out his Pulaski axe on two Flyers in the third - the latter of whom was Hackett and the Bruins had a scoring chance where Hackett had no stick because Thornton hacked it out of his hands) and it was a pretty spicy game to watch. The problem with the unsportsmanlike call on Recchi is that it's a brutal infraction, and it lies with the NHL, not the referees.
"Diving," or however it is known, should never, never, never, ever, be called. It's the NHL trying to make itself seem "wholesome" - it's the league's form of "family values." The ramification is that it forces referees to judge intent and solely intent.
The call on Recchi was pretty bad, but I'm sure he received it in part due to this reputation.
The referees weren't too bad last night (although it's frustrating watching Weinrich and Johnsson get called for "slashing" in the first period and Joe Thornton bring out his Pulaski axe on two Flyers in the third - the latter of whom was Hackett and the Bruins had a scoring chance where Hackett had no stick because Thornton hacked it out of his hands) and it was a pretty spicy game to watch. The problem with the unsportsmanlike call on Recchi is that it's a brutal infraction, and it lies with the NHL, not the referees.
"Diving," or however it is known, should never, never, never, ever, be called. It's the NHL trying to make itself seem "wholesome" - it's the league's form of "family values." The ramification is that it forces referees to judge intent and solely intent.
If diving won't be called then the teams which have players who constantly embellish will have TONS of PP time. I am not talking about yesterdays penalty but about guys like Sean Avery, Forsberg(as much as I respect all his other achievements).
Last edited by BruinsGirl: 12-08-2003 at 04:44 AM.
If diving won't be called than teams which have players who constantly embellished will have TONS of PP time.
You have no evidence whatsoever to indicate your claim would be true. It wasn't true before the NHL decided it was going to call diving an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.
Regardless, it's not a problem of the players and it's not a problem for the referees. It's a problem for the Rules Committee. What the Rules Committee is really saying is that "the players are too good at fooling us." If a referee was so astute at detecting a fraud, they should be able to detect something that isn't a penalty. That is, if a player goes down for something that isn't a penalty, it should register to an NHL-quality referee that what he just observed was not caused by an infraction. It's rather logical.
In the example scenario, VanMassenhoven ruled that McGillis committed an infraction because of something he directly observed. Regardless of McGillis's intent, VanMassenhoven determined that his action was a rules infraction. However, he was required to determine the intent of Recchi's actions in order to rule he violated an infraction. How did he know that Recchi wasn't ensuring the Bruins wouldn't have a breakout the other way by knocking the puck in deep? He is as defensively responsible as they come. My point is that having NHL referees call "diving" requires them to play psychologist. I don't want my referees reading minds; I want them enforcing the existing rules in a mechanical fashion, without judgement of character.
If I decided who lived and died, and made the rules of the NHL, I would instruct my referees to never call diving as unsportsmanlike conduct again, and would instead ensure they were as good as they could be at calling the existing rules. If they're good, as they should be for referees of the best hockey league in the world, they'll know the difference between embellishment and an infraction.
I agree on the Recchi call being awful...in fact, all the Bruins fans sitting around us (section 315) were asking how you could call a dive and a hook on that play. The refs were, in general, just horrible.
And why the hell were Bruins fans CHEERING McCarthy after that joke of a fight? McCarthy got destroyed and all he could do was hug, and everyone around us was cheering for him. What a freaking joke. At least Brashear beat the stuffing out of him.
All in all, an ok game. The Flyers got outplayed by the Bruins for most of it, but that's understandable considering the back-to-back games the Flyers played. Oh, and was the Boston College stat guy there at the Fleet? Because the Bruins got credited with an ungodly number of shots, and the Flyers had at least 3 shots ignored in the second period alone. I mean, yes, they were getting their butts kicked in the first, but 15-3??? Were they counting dump-ins?
