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What prospects are you starting to lose faith in

View Poll Results: What prospects are you starting to LOSE faith in
Paajarvi, Magnus » 42 26.92%
VandeVelde, Chris » 45 28.85%
Plante, Alex » 107 68.59%
Teubert, Colten » 38 24.36%
Fedun, Taylor » 16 10.26%
Arcobello, Mark » 45 28.85%
Pitlick, Tyler » 15 9.62%
Hamilton, Curtis » 61 39.10%
Lander, Anton » 39 25.00%
Martindale, Ryan » 27 17.31%
Marincin, Martin » 1 0.64%
Rajala, Toni » 82 52.56%
Roy, Olivier » 7 4.49%
Bunz, Tyler » 2 1.28%
Davidson, Brandon » 20 12.82%
Abney, Cameron » 69 44.23%
Cornet, Philippe » 67 42.95%
Tyrvainen, Antti » 36 23.08%
Pelss, Kristians » 18 11.54%
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10-31-2012, 11:09 AM
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I gained faith in him when he made the smart decision that lots of players take much longer to figure out.
True enough, but if I were him I would have at least finished my WHL career.

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10-31-2012, 11:45 AM
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If I had a nickel every time you made that analogy, I would prolly have 15 cents at least.
That's funny.

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10-31-2012, 11:48 AM
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Kyle Bigos (though I'm pretty sure he was let go),
Drafted out the NCAA so the Oilers have until 2013 to sign him.

I have no faith in most of these players. Only Paajarvi, Fedun, Pitlick, Marincin and the goalies have a chance to be valuable IMO. Maybe Lander and Hamilton but they'll have to "get it" soon.

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10-31-2012, 11:57 AM
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Plante was never a really good prospect 5 years ago when we picked him at #15...cost Prendergast his job

Lander I'm seriously concerned about..

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10-31-2012, 11:59 AM
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If he was that good he'd be getting more than ECHL action, especially considering how much a need that we have for a player that can play in fight in the AHL.
We have three or four forwards on the team right now who should be in the nhl.

That might have something to do with there not being enough spots for Abney.

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10-31-2012, 12:07 PM
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We have three or four forwards on the team right now who should be in the nhl.

That might have something to do with there not being enough spots for Abney.
You always have room for an enforcer that can play the game. Considering what has happened to the Barons this year if Abney was who you say he is, he'd be in the lineup every night.

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10-31-2012, 12:10 PM
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Plante, Arcobello, Cornet, Rajala, and Abney are all players that will be cut loose in the next 2 yrs to make room for other players coming up. I see VV as a possible 4th line centreman when Belanger's contract is up.

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10-31-2012, 12:15 PM
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The easy answer is Yakupov. Only 4 assists in 13 games? Selfish punk..

I'm not sure why so many are saying Plante, did this many people have faith in him to begin with? I know that i didn't.
Hamilton is who i had fairly high hopes for after his junior career and has largely disappointed the last 2 seasons. I haven't given up on him but it's not looking good right now.

I'm not concerned about Lander yet, i think that he's doing just fine as a checking center.
The points will eventually come for him, he has some decent offensive instincts.
Also, remember that it's still only his 2nd season in North America and he was bumped all over the lineup and back and forth from the Oilers to OKC a bunch of times last season so that's not good at all for development, same with Paajarvi who i will also cut some slack for. Once they get more settled into their roles and get some stability in the lineup, they will be just fine IMO.

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10-31-2012, 03:16 PM
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I will agree its Hamilton. I thought he'd be an ideal 3rd liner, sort of an Ethan Moreau with more offence and less dumb penalties. When I'd use this comparison on the prospects board, a very astute poster by the name of Renegade Stylings (who actually covers Saskatoon Blades games) assured me that was the low end of his potential, and that he could be a top 6 guy in the NHL. I kind of bought in after seeing him in the WJC, as he looked like a heady player (though nothing else appeared dynamic about him). I haven't watched him play since turning pro, but the numbers certainly don't look good, nor do the reviews from some of you. What happened?
This. I voted Hamilton without even looking at the other names. Thought he would be perfect 3rd liner and then the WJC made me think he could be more. By all accounts last year was terrible for him

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10-31-2012, 03:18 PM
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No option for "All of the above"?

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You always have room for an enforcer that can play the game. Considering what has happened to the Barons this year if Abney was who you say he is, he'd be in the lineup every night.
http://okcbarons.com/index.cfm?fa=pr...E-685CEB565EA3

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10-31-2012, 03:33 PM
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These poll percentages are wack ! If you add them all up, it's like 430% or something.

Mathematically, this is an impossibility!

I used to criticize that one guy (can't remember his name right now, but he had great hair) who would always say "ya obviously I try to give 110% all the time" and I would think to myself "wth? Mathematically, this is an impossibility!"

But now - if this paradigm shift is true - then that guy was actually a total slacker...

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10-31-2012, 05:14 PM
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I thought Plante was an AHL all-star and had taken a step. Rookie mistake.

Actually...he did look "good" on that lunchbox squad but seems to have opted to take the "beyond dreadful" development route so far this season.

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Plante was never a really good prospect 5 years ago when we picked him at #15...cost Prendergast his job

Lander I'm seriously concerned about..
If only Plante was the only pick that cost Penderghastly his job....sigh.....

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10-31-2012, 05:40 PM
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Good move, they should have sent Ringwald with Pelss though.

I voted for Plante and Hamilton.
I thought Hamilton would be a bit more of a contributor in OKC. I hope the NHL & PA get their **** together soon so our NHL talent can move up and let the forwards in OKC who need the ice time can get it.

Those talking about Lander should consider he is only 20 and its his second season in north america. He never should have been on the NHL team out of the gate last season, would have been good for him to spend the whole season in the AHL so I'm not ready to write him off yet.

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10-31-2012, 06:03 PM
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The Thread says "which prospect are you starting to lose faith in".

Anton Lander fits the bill. Great camp last year. Decent start, and then a slow spiral into the toilet which he has not even remotly looked like he has turned around yet.

Can he turn it around. Sure. Hope he does. Sounds like he has great leadership abilities.

Which prospect have you almost lost all faith in.

Tuebert and Plante. Neither has looked close to NHL quality on there call ups. NHL defenseman can come out of anywhere tho. They do not develope in a striaght line. It is extremly disconcerting when younger lower draft picks come in and pass them in the depth chart so easily.

You have to give both of them at least another year or 2 but with Maracin and Shultz looking so much better. Even Fedune and Davidson are at least on par. There really is not a lot of hope. They are late bloomers or busts.

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That would require 8,000,000,000 (8 billion) predictions

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I didn't have faith in any of those prospects but PRV, Lander, Pitlick, Hamilton and the goalies.
Still too early to start losing faith in any of those except Lander & PRV

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10-31-2012, 07:09 PM
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Sam Gagner.
Expectations were unrealistically high for Gagner. Given his physical limitations, his realistic upside likely has always been a 2nd line centre--which for all intents and purposes he is now.
2007 was the bad year to suck. It was also a bad year to be Oilers. Pronger left less than 12 months, Ryan Smyth got moved at the deadline. The team finished just outside the lottery--the year after going to the SC finals. Fans needed hope and the Oilers sold Gagner as the next one. The success of the kid line the following year raised the expectations exponentially. Then the inevitable happened.

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Jesse Niinimaki is really worrying me

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Expectations were unrealistically high for Gagner. Given his physical limitations, his realistic upside likely has always been a 2nd line centre--which for all intents and purposes he is now.
2007 was the bad year to suck. It was also a bad year to be Oilers. Pronger left less than 12 months, Ryan Smyth got moved at the deadline. The team finished just outside the lottery--the year after going to the SC finals. Fans needed hope and the Oilers sold Gagner as the next one. The success of the kid line the following year raised the expectations exponentially. Then the inevitable happened.
Gagner hitting his ceiling at 18 was inevitable?

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Paajarvi and Lander for me.

Paajarvi doesn't look like he has a future as an offensive player, which is a huge fall from 2 years ago when he was hyped as one of the big 3, and may struggle to carve out a career even as a defensive forward given his distaste for physical contact.

Lander looks like he is on the path to be back in europe in a year or two.

Most of the players up there were mid round draft picks that were always going to be hit or miss outside a few special circumstances - namely Pelss already far exceeding his low draft position, and a few picks that were bad the second they were made due to drafting by need, or incompetent(and fired) head scouts.

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Gagner hitting his ceiling at 18 was inevitable?
Gagner-Cogliano-Nilsson had an unreal chemistry for a while and got all the bounces go their way for a few weeks. The inevitable was regression to the norm.

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Lander is definitely a big disappointment. There might still be an NHL player there, but if he becomes even a 3rd liner at this point, it will be a big success.

Paajarvi needs to take a step forward offensively this year or his days as an Oiler will be numbered.

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I'm not necessarily losing faith in these guys, but I have some concerns over the teams depth at forward when it comes to prospects.

I still think Paajarvi can solidify himself as at the very worst a 3rd liner in the NHL. Outside of him (and obviously Yakupov) I'm not sure any of the Oiler forwards that I would classify as prospects can be counted on to become legit NHL regulars. I feel much stronger about the d-core when it comes to prospects.

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