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10-31-2012, 10:58 PM
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Diaz

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...765/story.html

I still think he's one of our more undervalued player/prospects. He has legit high end upside. As long as he's paired with a sizeable stay home guy, he'll do great.

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I still think he's one of our more undervalued player/prospects. He has legit high end upside. As long as he's paired with a sizeable stay home guy, he'll do great.
Assuming a season (I doubt it and frankly... who cares?), Diaz and Saint-Denis will be fighting for the 7th D spot. May the best one win.

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Diaz will play his way on ahead of Kaberle. St. Denis plays whole year in Hamilton.

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How does Diaz have high-end upside?

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high end might be a poor choice of words but I think he can put up really good #s for a D. I think he can score 40+

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high end might be a poor choice of words but I think he can put up really good #s for a D. I think he can score 40+
You think Diaz can have top 20 point totals in the league? Am I getting trolled?

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You think Diaz can have top 20 point totals in the league? Am I getting trolled?
hahaha? Am I?

Streit had 11 pts in 48 games in his first year.

Diaz had 16 pts in 59.

Plus Streit was older when he started.

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I still think he's one of our more undervalued player/prospects. He has legit high end upside. As long as he's paired with a sizeable stay home guy, he'll do great.
I have said before after watching Diaz play that he reminds me of former Montreal defenceman JC Tremblay from the 60's and early 70's before joining the WHA.Definitely has promise on the Habs blueline.

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Diaz will play his way on ahead of Kaberle. St. Denis plays whole year in Hamilton.
I was a fan of the Emelin - Diaz pairing but based on what I saw from Saint-Denis during his short stint in the NHL (and Gorges seems to agree with me), I expect him to transform Diaz into a valuable/tradable asset (4th round pick) during the next training camp.

In my book, Diaz and Saint-Denis will be fighting for the 7th D spot; may the best one win.

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Diaz was severly underrated last season. Im not saying he's a number 1 d-man, but he was very good given where he came from.

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I have said before after watching Diaz play that he reminds me of former Montreal defenceman JC Tremblay from the 60's and early 70's before joining the WHA.Definitely has promise on the Habs blueline.
You gotta be kidding. JC was a wizard stickhandler so much so he tried to hold on to the puck too much.

I really don't see how you can say Diaz had anything in common with Tremblay.

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I really like St.Denis

I have been supporting him since day 1

He reminds me of Gorges but with bigger size which is pretty much the only thing we can ask more from Gorges...

I like Diaz too, but with Weber, Subban, Beaulieu, Kaberle, Markov... we have a lot of puck moving guys and not many stay-at-home defenceman.

So yeah, St. Denis for me

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I really like St.Denis

I have been supporting him since day 1

He reminds me of Gorges but with bigger size
Gorges is 2 inches taller and 7 lbs heavier than Frederic St-Denis.

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Diaz can do what Kaberle does for us. If Kabs is playing at a 40 pt pace, Diaz can play at a 30 - 35 pace with more ice time and a full season. And a heck of a lot cheaper.

I'm not saying he has the vision or passing of Kabs, but he can pick up those secondary assists on the PP.

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I agree that St. Denis is more solid and unspectacular, but Diaz is indeed a great puck mover and does have offensive upside. Still think he gets a chance in top six ahead of St. Denis no matter what. Especially with what he is doing in the Swiss league right now.

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Subban, Gorges, Emelin... if the next time the Habs play is 2013-14, I'm betting Bouillon is not in the mix, especially if he doesn't find a team overseas during the lockout... nobody knows how much longer Markov and Kaberle have in the NHL... St Denis looks like he may be an NHL'er, but definitely not ahead of Diaz... Weber may or may not make it past this plateau he has been on, but he is also definitely not ahead of Diaz.

Forget "puck mover" vs "stay at home" - forget his ability to play the PP - Diaz is one of our 6 best options at even strength. He is 26 years old and costs $1.225mil per season.

BTW, I recommend taking a look at the dmen set to go UFA next offseason. It's an old, thin crop, and will just get thinner as many of the better ones re-sign with their current teams. This is a time (even more than usual) to hold on to proven dmen about to enter their primes.

Another BTW, Diaz and St Denis were both born in January 1986. I know it somehow seems like St Denis is younger, but they are the same age. I don't know that we can project St Denis' development taking him past Diaz.


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You gotta be kidding. JC was a wizard stickhandler so much so he tried to hold on to the puck too much.

I really don't see how you can say Diaz had anything in common with Tremblay.
Diaz has only one season as a rookie and had the language barrier also give him time or Detroit will.

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It remains to be seen what his upside is. The Streit comparisons will start making sense if he breaks out next year. He had a solid first year and was better than most expected of him but lets not assume he's a top2 defensemen...

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Diaz has only one season as a rookie and had the language barrier also give him time or Detroit will.
Oh come on, he probably knows like 3 or 4 languages, I'm sure he did fine

Its a given he'll be part of the defense group whenever the Habs start playing hockey again. As for his long term future with the team? He's in competition with Weber and St. Denis for that spot and needs to outplay both. He's already ahead and might even pass Kaberle (if he still stinks) or Emelin (if he doesn't progress).

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It remains to be seen what his upside is. The Streit comparisons will start making sense if he breaks out next year. He had a solid first year and was better than most expected of him but lets not assume he's a top2 defensemen...
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also if he gets the same PP opportunities as well

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I could see Holland trying to trade for Diaz after Zetterberg and Brunner come back from playing with Diaz at Zug during the lockout.Detroit needs good defencemen and know talent when they see it,Lidstrom is one example,not comparing Diaz to Lidstrom just that he's a capable NHL Dman,Ken Holland will be calling,wait and see.

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I could see Holland trying to trade for Diaz after Zetterberg and Brunner come back from playing with Diaz at Zug during the lockout.Detroit needs good defencemen and know talent when they see it,Lidstrom is one example,not comparing Diaz to Lidstrom just that he's a capable NHL Dman,Ken Holland will be calling,wait and see.
Well, if he offers us Xavier Ouellet, then I HOPE Holland calls.

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You think Diaz can have top 20 point totals in the league? Am I getting trolled?
Over a 82 game season he was on pace for 23 points while playing on the second powerplay with retards like Chris Campoli in his first season in North America... I see him in his prime as more of a 30-35 point guy but I don't think its THAT unrealistic to see him putting over 40 points sometime in his career.

The thing I really like about Diaz on the powerplay is his ability to get pucks on net unlike Subban, who tries to shoot as hard as he can and often misses the net.

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You think Diaz can have top 20 point totals in the league? Am I getting trolled?
And why not? He has the potential too.
He could follow the same progression as Streit as some other poster said. And just to put numbers out there, in the Swiss-A:
Streit 14gp, 9 pts
Diaz: 15gp, 16pts

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Diaz will play his way on ahead of Kaberle. St. Denis plays whole year in Hamilton.
If we send St.Denis to AHL after the lock out he could be claimed. I wouldn't be surprized if they keep 8 d-men or make a trade.

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Well, if he offers us Xavier Ouellet, then I HOPE Holland calls.
Ouellet is a slow footed PP specialist, not a guy I'd give up much for.

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