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11-02-2012, 09:51 AM
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Am I the only one who wanted Hamilton to win to force us to win our way in? I don't want to get in by the back door. If we can't win tomorrow, we don't deserve to be in the show. Hrrrrumpfff.
You are most definitely not the only one. I really wanted the Esks to earn their playoff opportunity not fall down, look up and find themselves in the playoffs only because another team stumbled worse than they did.

Accidental success doesn't help illuminate areas that require improvement.

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Judging by the comments it's as if Toronto was trying to throw the game, but Hamilton wanted to out do them at that. Is that accurate?
I think some people were confusing an opportunity to see what you have vs throwing a game.
I am really not sure why so many posters were up in arms over the Argos choices for QB. A win for them was irrelevant.
Trying to determine the game level ability of a QB against a team that needed a win was the perfect time to play your backups.
Opportunities like this rarely happen and the Argos have a much better idea of what they have now.

If the Esks were in the same position and they didn't play Nichols and Masoli the whole game then that would pretty much confirm that the coaches didn't have a clue.

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Nichols should start tomorrow, and we should put some of our other young prospects in to see how they look.
couldn't agree more... but i was calling for nichols to start before hamilton lost, so...

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couldn't agree more... but i was calling for nichols to start before hamilton lost, so...
I didn't realize Nichols was starting. Kelly said yesterday on Gregor's show that Joseph would be the starter, but they'd utilize both if need be. Now I read Jones article and he has Reed saying Nichols starts.

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I think some people were confusing an opportunity to see what you have vs throwing a game.
I am really not sure why so many posters were up in arms over the Argos choices for QB. A win for them was irrelevant.
Trying to determine the game level ability of a QB against a team that needed a win was the perfect time to play your backups.
Opportunities like this rarely happen and the Argos have a much better idea of what they have now.

If the Esks were in the same position and they didn't play Nichols and Masoli the whole game then that would pretty much confirm that the coaches didn't have a clue.
The players weren't trying to "tank", players don't do that, they aren't wired that way (except maybe POS, but yeah), but the team wasn't trying to win that game. It's not only the 2nd, then 3rd and 4th freakin string QBs, it's the not starting 10 regular starts, and then over the course of the game pulling alot of the rest of the starters.

Toronto was truly giving Hamilton "every opportunity", it's too bad the Ti-Cats Defense is so dreadful.

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11-02-2012, 10:36 AM
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The players weren't trying to "tank", players don't do that, they aren't wired that way (except maybe POS, but yeah), but the team wasn't trying to win that game. It's not only the 2nd, then 3rd and 4th freakin string QBs, it's the not starting 10 regular starts, and then over the course of the game pulling alot of the rest of the starters.

Toronto was truly giving Hamilton "every opportunity", it's too bad the Ti-Cats Defense is so dreadful.
Really?
Maybe Toronto was trying to get a sense of what else they had in the way of prospects. That should be the only thing they are concerned about...why should it matter to them that playing prospects affects another teams chances at a playoff game?

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Really?
Maybe Toronto was trying to get a sense of what else they had in the way of prospects. That should be the only thing they are concerned about...why should it matter to them that playing prospects affects another teams chances at a playoff game?
Get a sense of what "prospects" they have? Come on now, they practically escorted the Ti-Cats back into the game with the 2 late, and relatively easy, TDs only to have the Hamilton defense act as if it was preseason game or something.

Edit: So if the Esks win tonight, what are you going to call it when the Riders "lose" in their last game, they were just checking on their depth? That spade is a spade.

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Maybe Toronto was trying to get a sense of what else they had in the way of prospects. That should be the only thing they are concerned about...why should it matter to them that playing prospects affects another teams chances at a playoff game?
If you watched the game you'd have seen it. It was more than just pulling players. The play calling was suspect from a team trying to win as well. 2 attempted passes(including a deep ball)when up by a TD under the 3 minute warning? It was everything management could do to give Hamilton the ball back with as much time as possible. Good thing for us their players stepped up.

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So we're the ugly girl who takes delight knowing that we're not the ugliest girl in the class. Good for us.
We're a few pts and close games and injuries away from an opposite win/loss record and you know this. I'll take it. I've said all year, and so have you, that the personnel on this team for the most part is not a problem and if only we ever get healthy. With Howard alone injected back into a game this is a way different team. Personnel wise we're way better than Hamilton or Winnipeg and we're arguably a better team then The Argos, Stamps, and Riders have been this year. None of those clubs have been hampered by injury to the degree we have.



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Why would anybody be pissed. This is like the ultimate showdown now, we should of all known it would come down to this, Tillman versus Ray.

PDO versus Replacement.

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heh,

Well, we still could end up playing the Stamps in the Western semifinal. Who knows?

In anycase re: Tillman but people can say what they want but with our massive injury problems theres no way we get the two most recent wins with at least half our starting D shelved. Some kudos have to happen for the way this guy has stocked the shelf this year. He's essentially had to build two complete rosters.

How would the other GM in town manage something like this? Tambo wouldn't stock a fly on a cupboard if we had 4 starting D with broken legs.

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So I just had a twitter chat with Dave Campbell, he told me

- Nichols is starting and Jyles will see time (Massoli isn't going to dress)

- Howard and Sherrit will likely only play one quarter, though I guess they'll let Sherrit get the tackle record before pulling him

- Didn't dismiss the idea of the Esks doing what Toronto did yesterday.

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If you watched the game you'd have seen it. It was more than just pulling players. The play calling was suspect from a team trying to win as well. 2 attempted passes(including a deep ball)when up by a TD under the 3 minute warning? It was everything management could do to give Hamilton the ball back with as much time as possible. Good thing for us their players stepped up.
Yeah, don't even know how anybody could argue it. The Argos STARTED the game with 10 starters pulled. Not 3, not 5, but 10. To add to this they didn't even have the backup QB Jackson in there. they went to 3rd and then 4th QB lol. THEN soon as they find out Owens has the record they pull him. Really it started to look like whoever was having any modicum of success got the yank pronto.

The cold stark reality of yesterdays game was the Argos playing to have the Hamilton Ticats ridiculously futile D as a playoff opponent. Thats the table they were setting. Please take this W, come back so we can trounce you with out full lineup in the same place.
Instead the Argos might be seeing a much better D, and a club they haven't beaten all year and a club that Ray has done nothing against.

Of course the Argos would rather face the Ticats. They beat em up raw for fun. Ticats on the road are the closest thing to a guaranteed win.

Looks like the Ticats couldn't even bother sticking around. One of the most embarassing contests I've ever witnessed. One club trying hard to lose and the other team not letting it happen.

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So I just had a twitter chat with Dave Campbell, he told me

- Nichols is starting and Jyles will see time (Massoli isn't going to dress)

- Howard and Sherrit will likely only play one quarter, though I guess they'll let Sherrit get the tackle record before pulling him

- Didn't dismiss the idea of the Esks doing what Toronto did yesterday.
This doesn't make sense. Sherritt is 11 tackles short of the record and only a superhuman effort would result in that what with him being a lot slower on a hobbled leg. jebus sit him out, no brainer. He's not getting the CFL record anyway at this point. He already has the Eskimo record.

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The results of the CFL ON TSN Player Poll are as follows:
• Biggest Threat To Score: Chris Williams, WR/KR, Hamilton (68.0%)
• Fastest Player: Chris Williams, WR/KR, Hamilton (57.0%)*
• Toughest To Bring Down: Nik Lewis, SB, Calgary (35.8%)
• Toughest Player: Buck Pierce, QB, Winnipeg (23.3%)*
• Most Underrated: Chad Simpson, RB, Winnipeg (7.9%)
• Most Accurate Passer: Anthony Calvillo, QB, Montreal (38.1%)
• Nastiest Player: Shea Emry, LB, Montreal (31.2%)
• Best Trash-Talker: Dwight Anderson, DB, Montreal (32.1%)*
• Hardest Hitter: Kyries Hebert, S, Montreal (19.9%)
• Best Hands: Weston Dressler, SB, Saskatchewan (25.8%)
• Best Clutch Performer: Travis Lulay, QB, Vancouver (31.1%)
*denotes repeat winner

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The results of the CFL ON TSN Player Poll are as follows:
• Biggest Threat To Score: Chris Williams, WR/KR, Hamilton (68.0%)
• Fastest Player: Chris Williams, WR/KR, Hamilton (57.0%)*
• Toughest To Bring Down: Nik Lewis, SB, Calgary (35.8%)
Toughest Player: Buck Pierce, QB, Winnipeg (23.3%)*
• Most Underrated: Chad Simpson, RB, Winnipeg (7.9%)
• Most Accurate Passer: Anthony Calvillo, QB, Montreal (38.1%)
• Nastiest Player: Shea Emry, LB, Montreal (31.2%)
• Best Trash-Talker: Dwight Anderson, DB, Montreal (32.1%)*
• Hardest Hitter: Kyries Hebert, S, Montreal (19.9%)
• Best Hands: Weston Dressler, SB, Saskatchewan (25.8%)
• Best Clutch Performer: Travis Lulay, QB, Vancouver (31.1%)
*denotes repeat winner
Apparently I'm not understanding the definition of tough being used here. Seemingly "tough" in the new age is looking like Charles Bronson or Chuck Norris for the one quarter that you play, getting injured yet again, and making meaningful grimacing gestures from the sidelines. Buck Pierce is not football tough. He should've taken up a sport like Tennis or Golf.

WE need a category for best trash talker and nastiest player? seriously?

Who can tell that present day pro sports loves the drama all day any day.

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A clear example of Toronto trying to tank the game was when Hamtilon was faced with 3rd and 8 with the game on the line and one of Toronto's defensive linemen ran offside and tackled an offensive linemen before the ball was snapped.

Either that player is ridiculously stupid or he wanted to give Hamilton a first down. Too bad for him Hamilton retaliated.

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Apparently I'm not understanding the definition of tough being used here. Seemingly "tough" in the new age is looking like Charles Bronson or Chuck Norris for the one quarter that you play, getting injured yet again, and making meaningful grimacing gestures from the sidelines. Buck Pierce is not football tough. He should've taken up a sport like Tennis or Golf.

WE need a category for best trash talker and nastiest player? seriously?

Who can tell that present day pro sports loves the drama all day any day.

Buck is tough. He continuously gets back up and continues to play pro football. He has gone through a **** load of injuries and doesn't let it faze him. He may not be able to take very many more hits and they are probably going to have a impact on him in the future but he continues to get back up for the love of the game and because he is "tough"

Idrc about the best trash talker and nastiest player. In fact I see more reason for them to be there then for them to not.

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Buck is tough. He continuously gets back up and continues to play pro football. He has gone through a **** load of injuries and doesn't let it faze him. He may not be able to take very many more hits and they are probably going to have a impact on him in the future but he continues to get back up for the love of the game and because he is "tough"

Idrc about the best trash talker and nastiest player. In fact I see more reason for them to be there then for them to not.
This is the definition I suspected was being used. Getting injured frequently isn't tough. Certainly not in the ironman kind of tough and resilient way most people would think about the term. Put it this way, Buck is getting misjudged as "tough" on the basis of getting frequently injured. If he wasn't getting frequently injured people aren't voting him "toughest". In essense they're voting for the guy that falls on the field in a crumpled heap the most times..

Really its silly to suggest that the player that in the entire league is the least suitable for playing football is the "toughest" player. Its a strange notion and voted on by people that really didn't think it through apparently.

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Get a sense of what "prospects" they have? Come on now, they practically escorted the Ti-Cats back into the game with the 2 late, and relatively easy, TDs only to have the Hamilton defense act as if it was preseason game or something.

Edit: So if the Esks win tonight, what are you going to call it when the Riders "lose" in their last game, they were just checking on their depth? That spade is a spade.
Come on Jimmi...there is a major difference between a team that has no effect on their own destiny (Toronto) and a team that can still effect their own destiny (Regina).

The 2 situations are not comparable.


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This is the definition I suspected was being used. Getting injured frequently isn't tough. Certainly not in the ironman kind of tough and resilient way most people would think about the term. Put it this way, Buck is getting misjudged as "tough" on the basis of getting frequently injured. If he wasn't getting frequently injured people aren't voting him "toughest". In essense they're voting for the guy that falls on the field in a crumpled heap the most times..

Really its silly to suggest that the player that in the entire league is the least suitable for playing football is the "toughest" player. Its a strange notion and voted on by people that really didn't think it through apparently.
I didn't mean that. Getting back up is however :tough".
I guess a few hundred pro football players definition of "tough" is different than a couple of posters on HF. Honestly, if you get back up after taking the hits that Buck takes, you are tough and that's all I really see to it.

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If you watched the game you'd have seen it. It was more than just pulling players. The play calling was suspect from a team trying to win as well. 2 attempted passes(including a deep ball)when up by a TD under the 3 minute warning? It was everything management could do to give Hamilton the ball back with as much time as possible. Good thing for us their players stepped up.
I have no issue with what Toronto did...if the other teams need someone else to win or lose to make the playoffs then thats their own problem.

If Toronto wants to try new plays in different scenarios and try new players in game action then thats their business. They earned that opportunity.

As far as I am concerned the Esks should have the where with all to handle their own business and not rely on other teams.

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I didn't mean that. Getting back up is however :tough".
I guess a few hundred pro football players definition of "tough" is different than a couple of posters on HF. Honestly, if you get back up after taking the hits that Buck takes, you are tough and that's all I really see to it.
You're not getting what I'm putting down. Myself after repeated knee injuries and recurring hyperextensions playing competitive sports I could be considered equally tough. I always got back up if I could, always tried.

I never considered myself tough in that regard however. What I felt was I was always one bad move/hit/incident removed from injury. I certainly wasn't football or hockey tough. I had to give up those sports entirely.

If somebody called me tough for that I would think they're being sarcastic. I could barely get through a tennis match at the time..

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Matt Nichols will start at QB for the Edmonton Eskimos in their regular season finale against the Calgary Stampeders tonight.

Head coach Kavis Reed had stated earlier in the week that Kerry Joseph would get the nod but, as first reported by the Edmonton Sun, Nichols will now be the starter.
There is really no reason he shouldn't start and I'm glad he is. It's a game where we can see what Nichols is made of. We're already in the playoffs, might as well see what we have in him and how much last weeks 9 minutes was close to the real Nichols.

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Agreed. The Eskimos need to get back to where the Lions are right now. Perennial contenders and the class of the league. It's been too damn long.
It's going to happen in-line with when the Oilers get rolling.

Basically imagine right now is the end of the 70's and we're about to swerve into a new magical decade called the 1980's; where glorious things occurred and the city lived up to it's title!

(realistically i expect this to happen 2014-2018. Oilers win a cup and Eskimos win 2 GC's....

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I have no issue with what Toronto did...if the other teams need someone else to win or lose to make the playoffs then thats their own problem.

If Toronto wants to try new plays in different scenarios and try new players in game action then thats their business. They earned that opportunity.

As far as I am concerned the Esks should have the where with all to handle their own business and not rely on other teams.
This should come with a laughtrack. Weren't you earlier arguing that the Esks shouldn't be in the playoffs on the basis of two sadsack teams being worse followed by stating that the ARGOS EARNED the privilege on the same identical basis.

See any inconsistency there?

How about the Argos have the record they do due to playing in the Eastern Conference and playing so many of their games against sadsack teams. Until last week the Argos had only 2 wins against Western Opponents.

The Argos are in the playoffs because they get to beat up on Hamilton or Winnipeg seemingly every other week.


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