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10-24-2012, 11:48 AM
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The real problem is it isn't 'killing the league.' The NHL was doing great, which is why those contracts were able to be doled out.

The NHL (owners) just want to do even better. Instead of doing really really good, they'd like to do really really really good, and contracts like those are costing them one of their really's.

That's what this about.

The owners were doing really really good. The owners think the players were doing really really really good. Owners want to take one of those really's and shift it to their side.

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10-24-2012, 12:04 PM
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The real problem is it isn't 'killing the league.' The NHL was doing great, which is why those contracts were able to be doled out.

The NHL (owners) just want to do even better. Instead of doing really really good, they'd like to do really really really good, and contracts like those are costing them one of their really's.

That's what this about.

The owners were doing really really good. The owners think the players were doing really really really good. Owners want to take one of those really's and shift it to their side.
Actually it's debatable whether or not the owners were doing all that well. Some (read: Pittsburgh, Boston, Buffalo, Washington, Rangers, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, Minnesota, Canada) were, and I'm not even sure about Minnesota and Buffalo. Others, such as us, Nashville, and even San Jose, were struggling but still break even for the most part. Some others have been money pits (Phoenix and Long Island notably). But the thing is that the balance in the other two big sports that have caps have moved from similar breakdowns as compared to where the NHL is under the old CBA to a 50-50 breakdown. And these are leagues with vastly superior income sources as far as TV contracts go. The players are dead right that increased revenue sharing from the Detroit, Toronto, Rangers, Montreal type teams of the league will be hugely beneficial to stabilize poor markets. But the owners are dead right that things need to come down in terms of the balance, that player salary growth should be in now way guaranteed until the balance hits 50-50. That's the biggest place I think that Fehr and co are completely out to lunch in regards with reality.

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10-25-2012, 08:37 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4623841/

Interesting article with the Canes well represented. Interesting that Pitkanen wasnt among the 276 players selected.

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10-25-2012, 08:49 AM
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4623841/

Interesting article with the Canes well represented. Interesting that Pitkanen wasnt among the 276 players selected.
He was, 218th by the Flyers

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10-25-2012, 08:50 AM
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Interesting article with the Canes well represented. Interesting that Pitkanen wasnt among the 276 players selected.
He was...he's on the last team on the list. Drafted 218 overall.



So that means..

E. Staal-17
Skinner-54
J. Staal-69
Ward-78
Semin-94
Faulk-170
Pitkanen-218
Jokinen-246
Gleason-268


Nobody wanted Corvo though...take a hint, JR.


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10-25-2012, 09:04 AM
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Ah now i see him.. i thought that was odd. Sadly i looked thru that list twice before posting it and still whiffed.

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10-25-2012, 01:17 PM
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Guess who didn't make a team?

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10-25-2012, 01:22 PM
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The Islanders should change their name to the Brooklyn Brawlers.

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Guess who didn't make a team?
I noticed that Char was conspicuously absent.

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10-25-2012, 02:38 PM
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Guess who didn't make a team?
Probably that dirtbag Boychuk.

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10-25-2012, 03:50 PM
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It seems that the players are going to try and starve the NHL out.

With what I'm not sure. Considering that the players lose more money with each passing week, a drawn out negotiation process is the last thing they should want.

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10-25-2012, 04:34 PM
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The players are losing money they will NEVER get back. They are the ones with the most to lose.

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10-25-2012, 05:46 PM
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I noticed that Char was conspicuously absent.
atta boy

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10-26-2012, 01:06 AM
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I can't believe they'd pick players like Crosby, Parise and Giroux before Chad.

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10-26-2012, 02:16 AM
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Obviously this is just a lame, minor league level while another league is the true home of the greatest hockey players in the world with the likes of Char and The Anton.

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Guess who didn't make a team?
$4.75M/yr third liner Tuomo Ruutu

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11-02-2012, 12:07 PM
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Pierre LeBrun is reporting that the Winter Classic is about to be cancelled. So if you had any hopes of a season, you might want to just put that to rest now.

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11-02-2012, 12:20 PM
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Pierre LeBrun is reporting that the Winter Classic is about to be cancelled. So if you had any hopes of a season, you might want to just put that to rest now.
Yeah, early on when people were saying the NHL wouldn't let it get to the point where they cancel the winter classic, I was skeptical. I realize there is still time, but the owners (and Bettman) have shown they are willing to forgo an entire season in the past and I see no reason to think differently now. Fehr being the players rep. won't help hockey get back sooner either.


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11-02-2012, 12:24 PM
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The League didn't cancel the season until February in the 2005, so it's still way too early to be declaring this season dead in the water.

In other good news, the NHLPA did not accept a hard cap as part of the CBA until mid February (like a week before the season was canceled). And they didn't accept linkage (connecting the salary cap, or player costs, to total League revenue) until much later.

In this lockout, the PA has already agreed that 50% is where we need to be. The only difference is how to get there: the PA wants to go there gradually and keep the current players' share intact while the NHL wants to be there right now (now? NOW! Well, when will then be now? SOON!) and compensate by roll back players' salaries.

That is not something that should take 3 months to negotiate. Honestly, they could probably get together this weekend and agree on a compromise. No player rollbacks, but the players' share is frozen until it reaches 50%. Players get to go to Olympics. Owners get 4 year ELC and 8 years to free agency.

I wasn't around in the 2004 lockout, but looking at the historical analysis, where we are right now is nothing compared to 2004. I'm not giving up hope yet.

But this is all contingent that the owners are interested in working with the PA. What I am afraid of is that the hardliners want to completely crush the PA with a show of power. Failure to crush the PA in 1994 was a huge factor in the dead puck era, and frankly, if it meant that we didn't have to do this gong show every decade or so, I am all for the owners curb stomping the PA completely and utterly.

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11-02-2012, 12:47 PM
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T minus 12 minutes until cancellation.

So pumped!!!

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11-02-2012, 01:09 PM
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In this lockout, the PA has already agreed that 50% is where we need to be. The only difference is how to get there: the PA wants to go there gradually and keep the current players' share intact while the NHL wants to be there right now (now? NOW! Well, when will then be now? SOON!) and compensate by roll back players' salaries.
The problem is that the NHLPA is only willing to back down to 50% it it happens just before the end of the CBA, contingent upon high revenue growth, and with their current 57% intact for the near future.

Which is to say, they're not really agreeing to 50%. They're simply including that number in the proposal because it would look unreasonable to continue to still be using 57% this late in the game. But they have yet to present a proposal that includes a guaranteed reduction in salary any time soon.

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Which is to say, they're not really agreeing to 50%. They're simply including that number in the proposal because it would look unreasonable to continue to still be using 57% this late in the game. But they have yet to present a proposal that includes a guaranteed reduction in salary any time soon.
Or even a guarantee of stagnation in salaries at their current share until the league revenues hit the point where it's 50%. In other words, they're trying to sell the fans a bunch of ******** by including "50%" in their projections which are wholly unrealistic at best.

Thing is the fans have quickly turned on the PA/Fehr in this one because we're not the complete idiots they take us for.

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11-02-2012, 01:51 PM
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I don't even accept the pa rhetoric about "losing" the last lockout. The contracts we've given out since have been huge. Almost every player not on a rookie contract who plays every day is making bank or going to be soon. No player has lost out with the cap other than the top players who don't get quite as much. The players have it great, and businesses are allowed to re structure things to make it more profitable for them. The owners have already won this fight, this is just about the players trying to save face and make the owners look as bad as they can. The second they hired fehr a stoppage was essentially guaranteed. He doesn't care about the season. He's the only ego they could've hired bigger than bettman's, and he's gonna try to break Gary. Not happening. Dislike bettman's all you like he is the smartest guy in the room. Fehr will lose this battle and take our sport with him.

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I hate logic like that, because it absolves the owners of all wrongdoings. Make no mistake, it takes two sides to create the mess the NHL has currently become. You can blame one side more than the other, but frankly, that's just splitting hairs.

Both sides handled these negotiations poorly from the very beginning and both sides are the reason we're not watching NHL hockey right now.

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