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Make Whole, Not War (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XIX
I'm curious to see how this goes. I have been on the players side here for the whole time, I don't think it's fair that they should be the only people losing in this "negotiation". That being said, I also believe 50/50 makes the most sense moving forward and my belief is they should be forced to honor the contracts they were handing out. I mostly feel that for the LARGE contracts and the ones that were thrown about a few months ago.
VERY interested to see if this is a "real" proposal or another one where the NHL hope to get something past the NHLPA - like the last one that players paid players moving forward.
...my belief is they should be forced to honor the contracts they were handing out. I mostly feel that for the LARGE contracts and the ones that were thrown about a few months ago.
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I'm on the owner's side in this one, but I would normally support a labour group holding firm in solidarity for what what they believe is their right.
In this case, why do the signed contracts have to be honoured beyond the terms of the last CBA? And why especially the super-bonus-loaded contracts that were designed that way to reward the players outside of the obvious reduction they'd take in the next CBA?
I admit, I would take satisfaction in the over-paying GM's having to deal with those contracts... but I think they were negotiated with the CBA adjustment in mind, with outrageous amounts and up-front bonuses.
David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod
The NHL and NHLPA will meet as early as tomorrow or as late as Monday. I'll have more on that shortly.
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun Bill Daly and Steve Fehr are meeting Saturday in undisclosed location to resume bargaining talks
Meeting over the weekend seems to signify there is urgency.
Seems like those two are the only ones that seem to be able to get anything done so them meeting face to face is a positive. I really just want to see this thing end.
David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod
The NHL and NHLPA will meet as early as tomorrow or as late as Monday. I'll have more on that shortly.
Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
Bill Daly and Steve Fehr are meeting Saturday in undisclosed location to resume bargaining talks
Meeting over the weekend seems to signify there is urgency.
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Originally Posted by Renbarg
A Saturday session would mean real progress imo
I dont see urgencey or real progress. Its not like theyve been meeting all week and are on the verge of completion. Theyve been sitting around for two weeks doing nothing of consequence.
Josh Rimer @JoshRimerHockey
Is NHLPA really communicating with its players? Just asked NHL player about NHL's latest offer to PA, "Didn't know we met with the NHL."
I dont see urgencey or real progress. Its not like theyve been meeting all week and are on the verge of completion. Theyve been sitting around for two weeks doing nothing of consequence.
Its been said they have had talks of "substance" over the phone
Josh Rimer @JoshRimerHockey
Is NHLPA really communicating with its players? Just asked NHL player about NHL's latest offer to PA, "Didn't know we met with the NHL."
I doubt all 30 NHL team reps are distributing the info to their teammates. All 30 NHL team reps probably aren't being given all the info either.
Likewise, the NHL owners of all 30 teams probably aren't getting all the info either.
I'm on the owner's side in this one, but I would normally support a labour group holding firm in solidarity for what what they believe is their right.
In this case, why do the signed contracts have to be honoured beyond the terms of the last CBA? And why especially the super-bonus-loaded contracts that were designed that way to reward the players outside of the obvious reduction they'd take in the next CBA?
I admit, I would take satisfaction in the over-paying GM's having to deal with those contracts... but I think they were negotiated with the CBA adjustment in mind, with outrageous amounts and up-front bonuses.
I agree with you. I just feel it's more of a right/wrong thing for me. CBA or not, in my opinion, you agree to something, you honor it. ie. Would you support the players if they wanted to roll back years on their contracts so they could simply file for UFA and leave town? I see this as a similar even from the players side.
I see what the owners are trying to do, and I can even agree and sympathize with them. I just think they made it, don't expect others to fix it because we all know, they will be working to get around it less than 24hours after it's done. They need make it right going forward and if you're a team, work together to get it there. I think the hard line of, this is what we want and when we want it, is just wrong.
Lastly, the reason I support the players is because they took a significant cut last time to help the owners get "cost certainty" which they have screwed up again. Will you support them if they lock out the players next time because "they feel they are just paying too much"? No other businesses are run with guaranteed profits.
Josh Rimer @JoshRimerHockey
Is NHLPA really communicating with its players? Just asked NHL player about NHL's latest offer to PA, "Didn't know we met with the NHL."
Meaningless. There are over 700 members in PA spread out across the world at the moment. Expecting all of them to be notified instantly is ridiculous.
Josh Rimer @JoshRimerHockey
Is NHLPA really communicating with its players? Just asked NHL player about NHL's latest offer to PA, "Didn't know we met with the NHL."
Why would he ask a player about the latest offer, when nothing's been offered yet? We're hearing speculation that may have come out of phone calls between the leaders of two sides. Daly says "Here's what we might be willing to do" Fehr says "Okay, that can get us back to the table"
That's it. Nothing's been proposed or offered or taken back to the players.
I dont see urgencey or real progress. Its not like theyve been meeting all week and are on the verge of completion. Theyve been sitting around for two weeks doing nothing of consequence.
You're assuming that face-to-face meetings are required in order to do something of consequence.
Meaningless. There are over 700 members in PA spread out across the world at the moment. Expecting all of them to be notified instantly is ridiculous.
You're right - in this day and age how would the NHPLA contact the players...it's not like any of them own a cellphone or have the capability to interact on a variety of social medias. Heck, the NHLPA probably doesn't even have a centralized email account that all the players have instant access to for receiving information..
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