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Make Whole, Not War (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XIX

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11-02-2012, 09:56 PM
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Anyone? Is it gone for good? I just can't see them starting the season (if these upcoming talks quickly lead to a deal) in mid-November and not holding the WC.
WC and November games are all gone. No matter what. If they were to strike a deal tomorrow, the best they could do would be to schedule preseason games in November.

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11-02-2012, 09:57 PM
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NHLPA types "the league has agreed to cover the make whole clause from their percentage"...NHPA stops typing. They then hit all send to the 700 email addresses that the players have provided as union employees and the message is instantly sent to all players...

They aren't checking their email regularly? Good grief, after all the twitters and comments made by the players you believe this group doesnt' check their emails? Phone pings indicating a message from the NHLPA, you believe they don't check it? If not, then really are those players actually concerned about the ongoing CBA negotiations. I guess most didn't even know that the winter classic was cancelled, because they may not have bothered to check their phones. Heck, some of the players may not even know that there is a lockout. Clearly they don't check their cellphones while sitting around waiting for the season to begin.
what a horrible post and waste of bandwidth.

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11-02-2012, 09:59 PM
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Oh look more strike fear mongering. Understand what linkage is and then maybe you'll be able to understand why this is a nonsense argument.
There is no such thing as linkage right now because there isnt really a CBA thats enforceable.

If the NHL plays and negotiates, two weeks before playoffs and Fehr could easily throw out the "we strike unless we get a proposal without linkage and the salary cap."

No league would ever take that risk. You might call it minimal in you eyes, but heck its not your money either.

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11-02-2012, 10:00 PM
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lets cross our fingers, if this works out, thats a pretty big move by the nhl owners, time for players to start working with the owners.


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The NHL's verbal offer to absorb some or all of Make Whole was made Tuesday. 3 days ago?? PA wants more detail before getting too excited.

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11-02-2012, 10:03 PM
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lets cross our fingers

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As per @Real_ESPNLeBrun, Bill Daly and Steve Fehr will meet tomorrow at undisclosed location to resume bargaining.

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The NHL's verbal offer to absorb some or all of Make Whole was made Tuesday. 3 days ago?? PA wants more detail before getting too excited.

Not around here. This is the Box of Chocolates way to negotiations. By the box then find out what's inside.

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11-02-2012, 10:05 PM
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How reliable is Adrian Dater, just wondering cause the guy's opinions sure seem to jump around a lot.

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11-02-2012, 10:08 PM
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How reliable is Adrian Dater, just wondering cause the guy's opinions sure seem to jump around a lot.
I think he's the Denver Post's Avs beat reporter

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11-02-2012, 10:09 PM
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Dreger and Walsh at each others throats.
Entertaining

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There is no such thing as linkage right now because there isnt really a CBA thats enforceable.

If the NHL plays and negotiates, two weeks before playoffs and Fehr could easily throw out the "we strike unless we get a proposal without linkage and the salary cap."

No league would ever take that risk. You might call it minimal in you eyes, but heck its not your money either.
You understand that the PA was proposing to have the old CBA extended for a year? And if the league was that concerned about a strike, they could have asked the PA to sign a non-strike agreement. If the union refused, then you could say a strike was a possibility.

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11-02-2012, 10:11 PM
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NHLPA view of Daly-Steve Fehr talks tomorrow: not bargaining, exploring ways to move process along enough to start bargaining again.

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11-02-2012, 10:13 PM
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NHLPA view of Daly-Steve Fehr talks tomorrow: not bargaining, exploring ways to move process along enough to start bargaining again.
**** off.

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11-02-2012, 10:13 PM
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November games are all gone. No matter what.
Not true...they can play games in November if they strike a deal quickly. There's nothing stopping them. It just won't be the games that were scheduled.

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11-02-2012, 10:14 PM
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Well that's not exactly what you want to hear but it's still good. At the end of the day that comment could just be typical PR crap. Let em get things done behind closed doors and let us know when it's done.

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11-02-2012, 10:15 PM
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Not true...they can play games in November if they strike a deal quickly. There's nothing stopping them. It just won't be the games that were scheduled.
Yeah but let's be real here. They aren't striking a deal within a week.

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I find it interesting that this offer was made on Tuesday, and on Tuesday Fehr took to the press blaming the owners for stalled negotiations and railing against cutting into existing contracts.

Just what exactly does this guy have to do before it becomes universally understood that he is not interested in a two-way negotiation?

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11-02-2012, 10:17 PM
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The NHLPA is not as excited as the owners about the latest sign talks could start again

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However, NHLPA also takes position NHL has to explain concession much more before bargaining can resume. More at http://globesports.com .

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They can certainly strike a deal in the next two weeks.

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11-02-2012, 10:18 PM
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You understand that the PA was proposing to have the old CBA extended for a year? And if the league was that concerned about a strike, they could have asked the PA to sign a non-strike agreement. If the union refused, then you could say a strike was a possibility.
again, of course they wanted to extend it. They have profited heavily off it. It was 57% to 43% in their favor. If they think that was so fair, why didnt they propose to play with the same percentages but in the owners favor until the deal was done.

Why do you think its the players right to play and negotiate if the owners feel its detrimental to them?

I can easily flip this and say, why dont the players offer to play with a no strike agreement? They havent done that because it reduces their leverage. So i guess you cant say that a strike isnt possible because the players never offered it.

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The NHLPA isn't excited to talk again? I'm not really sure how to respond to that. They don't want a deal done? They want raises? My goodness this union is something else.

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again, of course they wanted to extend it. They have profited heavily off it. It was 57% to 43% in their favor. If they think that was so fair, why didnt they propose to play with the same percentages but in the owners favor until the deal was done.

Why do you think its the players right to play and negotiate if the owners feel its detrimental to them?

I can easily flip this and say, why dont the players offer to play with a no strike agreement? They havent done that because it reduces their leverage. So i guess you cant say that a strike isnt possible because the players never offered it.

What if both sides agreed to keep talking/playing --- no lockout and no strike. What then?

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11-02-2012, 10:25 PM
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NHLPA pisses me off more and more everytime they speak.

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What if both sides agreed to keep talking/playing --- no lockout and no strike. What then?
i guess we will never know because no sides have offered it.

however again it doesnt address anything the owners would want. The players could then indefinitely play under the old CBA. Even with this agreement, its only win win for the players. It gives zero incentive for players to negotiate

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Bill Daly and Steve Fehr are meeting Saturday in undisclosed location to resume bargaining talks
I was right about the bunker in Omaha!!

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NHLPA view of Daly-Steve Fehr talks tomorrow: not bargaining, exploring ways to move process along enough to start bargaining again.
At least Shoalts has stopped pretending to have any other source than the PA.

And the whole PA response to this move on the league side-Walsh insisting it is nothing new, all the PA mouth pieces coming out to throw mud on it just like the 50/50 offer when they tried to save the season-this leaves me discouraged.

i don't see any signs that Fehr has any interest at all in reaching any negotiated settlement this year. It seems like fending off all offers, followed by spinning and PR stunts to keep the players and media onside, finger pointing at Bettman and the owners-that is what we are going to get.
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I would love to be surprised, but I just don't see it, don't see any interest in an agreement by the Fehr boys and they hold absolute power in the PA and are being cheered on by zealots like Rodier and Walsh and others. That is their true constituency, not the players.

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NHLPA view of Daly-Steve Fehr talks tomorrow: not bargaining, exploring ways to move process along enough to start bargaining again.
This can't be serious? Hey NHLPA, how about you start bargaining to get the bargaining started again? That's a great way to get things going again. They just love to make themselves look more idiotic day after day.

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