HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

2012-2013 CHL/NCAA/Euro Prospects thread 2.0

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
11-02-2012, 06:24 PM
  #351
WaltWhitman
Registered User
 
WaltWhitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 245
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
Their process is easy to understand, they take NDP, NCAA and USHL players when at all possible, CHL guys need to be locks in order to be chosen.
Could it be that more Americans play in the former leagues and usually only the higher-drafted prospects or "locks" go the CHL route?


Why doesn't Team Canada take more USHL and U.S. college players?

It's all one big conspiracy, maaan!

WaltWhitman is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 06:36 PM
  #352
montreal
Time to Get Down
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Hungary
Posts: 23,272
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Joey Walsh ‏@HockeyStickMan
Little brother Dusty (Dustin Walsh) returns to the @Dartmouth_MIH lineup tonight after being out for almost a year
Good to hear, Dartmouth is lighting up Yale already.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Twi2teD View Post
Agree 100%. Everybody's an expert here at HF, lmao! For the record, I wasn't trying to contradict you, more lending to your point.

I personally find the one thing that will always carry over, is hockey sense. I always say to my friends that, I'll never fault a player for having the right idea. You can develop skating, shooting, and stick-handling but it's much harder to develop that puck poise and awareness. The ability to immediately make the right reads, while under pressure, is something that transcends skill. In my opinion!
Hockey sense is huge as i don't think that's something that can taught. You either have it or you don't. One of the reasons I like Leblanc so much is that he's so smart hockeywise.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltWhitman View Post
Could it be that more Americans play in the former leagues and usually only the higher-drafted prospects or "locks" go the CHL route?


Why doesn't Team Canada take more USHL and U.S. college players?

It's all one big conspiracy, maaan!
Of course more Americans play in the US, that's comon sense. Clearly Team USA favors kids from the National Development Team, as they should since it's often going to have several of the top talent.

montreal is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 07:41 PM
  #353
Estimated_Prophet
Registered User
 
Estimated_Prophet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,137
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Twi2teD View Post
Agree 100%. Everybody's an expert here at HF, lmao! For the record, I wasn't trying to contradict you, more lending to your point.

I personally find the one thing that will always carry over, is hockey sense. I always say to my friends that, I'll never fault a player for having the right idea. You can develop skating, shooting, and stick-handling but it's much harder to develop that puck poise and awareness. The ability to immediately make the right reads, while under pressure, is something that transcends skill. In my opinion!
I completely agree.

I believe that intangibles such as vision/awareness/hockey sense are things that a player either has or doesn't have, they cannot be significantly developed or increased. It has more to do with the human brain and the natural ability to recognize and identify patterns. There are different types of intelligence, and pattern recognition is one that some people naturally have and others do not have. This is the one attribute that sets generational talents such as Gretzky, Orr, Lemieux and Lidstrom apart from the others. It also allows players without elite skillsets such as Oates and Gilmour to achieve far more than players with superior physical skillsets (Kilger, Colton Gillies etc).

Estimated_Prophet is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 09:08 PM
  #354
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Snippin' Yank
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 49,227
vCash: 597
Awful night for our CHL prospects so far. All shutout, up to the WHL boys to turn it around.

Bennett has a goal and 2 assists. 8 points in 6 games now.

Walsh and Cichy with an assist.

MacMillan with an assist.

Marc the Habs Fan is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 09:20 PM
  #355
katatoniak
Registered User
 
katatoniak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Jonquiere, Qc
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,216
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc the Habs Fan View Post
Awful night for our CHL prospects so far. All shutout, up to the WHL boys to turn it around.

Bennett has a goal and 2 assists. 8 points in 6 games now.

Walsh and Cichy with an assist.

MacMillan with an assist.
Wow, that's a great start!

katatoniak is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 10:11 PM
  #356
montreal
Time to Get Down
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Hungary
Posts: 23,272
vCash: 500
Watched the North Dakota game (stopped watching the Dogs but will finish later) an interesting note for whatever reason the coach has Kristo playing LW on the top line instead of his usual RW spot. They moved Rowney up to Kristo's spot. Kristo also remains on the point on the PP again, not sure I really like it, he did this in his first two years and I think it ended up being great for his development as he was much more of a passer early on but after much time on the point his passing game improved by leaps and bounds. But I wonder if he isn't better off now on the RW on the PP, on the other hand by doing so they move MacMillan up to the top PP unit which I like to see a lot.

Kristo not having his best game but he did set up the game winning goal. Perhaps it was the move to the RW, but the rest of the team played well including MacMillan despite missing an empty net by inches in the final minute of the game. Had a nice setup on the 2nd goal (still not sure he won't get credit as it might have gone off the BU player)

They moved MacMillan back to C on the 2nd line, the coach said he wanted more production from MacMillan and that he felt that MacMillan is more involved at center (which is where he was when he had his 2 goal game). Thought MacMillan had a very good game, was one of their top forwards as he was working hard all night and was making things happen.

Pretty chippy game, heard the ND players weren't happy about a tweet from a BU player. Tomorrow night should be a fun game to watch as tonight was a real treat.

montreal is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 10:40 PM
  #357
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Snippin' Yank
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 49,227
vCash: 597
MacMillan was credited with 2 assists, 1 of them on the 1st NoDak goal and the 2nd one on the ENG.

Marc the Habs Fan is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 11:11 PM
  #358
goforit
Registered User
 
goforit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 568
vCash: 500
How can I watch ND games? I think there is no free feed, but where can I catch them and how much does it cost? thanks

goforit is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 11:19 PM
  #359
WaltWhitman
Registered User
 
WaltWhitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 245
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit View Post
How can I watch ND games? I think there is no free feed, but where can I catch them and how much does it cost? thanks
You can listen to UND's radio announcers on the UND website for free. You just have to sign up for an account is all.

The UND radio announcers are really good and they can break the game down and give you insights that you don't get from the T.V. announcers. I would highly recommend checking the radio feed out.

go to www.undsports.com

sign up for an account

sign in

open media player a half hour before the start time of the game

go to live events and find the radio feed on the right hand side.

-------

or you can pay for the webcast from the same website.

WaltWhitman is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 11:25 PM
  #360
goforit
Registered User
 
goforit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 568
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltWhitman View Post
You can listen to UND's radio announcers on the UND website for free. You just have to sign up for an account is all.

The UND radio announcers are really good and they can break the game down and give you insights that you don't get from the T.V. announcers. I would highly recommend checking the radio feed out.

go to www.undsports.com

sign up for an account

sign in

open media player a half hour before the start time of the game

go to live events and find the radio feed on the right hand side.

-------

or you can pay for the webcast from the same website.
Thank you buddy! Very appreciated!

goforit is offline  
Old
11-02-2012, 11:41 PM
  #361
montreal
Time to Get Down
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Hungary
Posts: 23,272
vCash: 500
I watched some of the 1st from the Blades game. Dietz dropped the gloves although he didn't have much choice since he hit one of the Ice players while said player was off balance so another Ice player just started throwing punches at Dietz. Both sides threw some major bombs.

Thought Thrower looked much better so far, then he did in the last game I saw.


Quote:
Originally Posted by goforit View Post
How can I watch ND games? I think there is no free feed, but where can I catch them and how much does it cost? thanks
I don't know of any free webcasts, a lot of their games are on tv in the states nationally. Not sure how much it costs for the webcast from the ND site but tomorrow nights game might be worth the money as neither side tonight seemed very happy with one another so it could be a good game as two of the top coaches in college hockey meet in a rare series. Plus hopefully Kristo will have a better game, as up until tonight in all the games i've seen him this year, he's easily been the best player on the ice in every game including the 2 pre-season games. In addition MacMillan is a fun player to watch, really like this kid as he brings an interesting mix of offensive skills and effort at both ends of the ice.


Last edited by montreal: 11-02-2012 at 11:46 PM.
montreal is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 08:47 AM
  #362
zzoo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Country: Vietnam
Posts: 2,019
vCash: 500
Yesterday night was terrible for our Jr players. 0 point for: Hudon, Archambault, Vail, Galchenyuk, Thrower, Dietz, even Bozon.

zzoo is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 09:14 AM
  #363
Whitesnake
Year of the Snake
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine
Country: Canada
Posts: 43,690
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
Watched the North Dakota game (stopped watching the Dogs but will finish later) an interesting note for whatever reason the coach has Kristo playing LW on the top line instead of his usual RW spot. They moved Rowney up to Kristo's spot. Kristo also remains on the point on the PP again, not sure I really like it, he did this in his first two years and I think it ended up being great for his development as he was much more of a passer early on but after much time on the point his passing game improved by leaps and bounds. But I wonder if he isn't better off now on the RW on the PP, on the other hand by doing so they move MacMillan up to the top PP unit which I like to see a lot.

Kristo not having his best game but he did set up the game winning goal. Perhaps it was the move to the RW, but the rest of the team played well including MacMillan despite missing an empty net by inches in the final minute of the game. Had a nice setup on the 2nd goal (still not sure he won't get credit as it might have gone off the BU player)

They moved MacMillan back to C on the 2nd line, the coach said he wanted more production from MacMillan and that he felt that MacMillan is more involved at center (which is where he was when he had his 2 goal game). Thought MacMillan had a very good game, was one of their top forwards as he was working hard all night and was making things happen.

Pretty chippy game, heard the ND players weren't happy about a tweet from a BU player. Tomorrow night should be a fun game to watch as tonight was a real treat.
On a side note....and I know it's just one game....but is Connor Gaarder somebody we should look for at the end of the year? I will probably buy the ND package soon so I'll have my own opinion but just wondering what you thought about him. Seems to have a decent size, and I know he's 21-22 year old but let just say that yesterday's game was somewhat of an eye-opener.

Whitesnake is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 09:16 AM
  #364
Whitesnake
Year of the Snake
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine
Country: Canada
Posts: 43,690
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by zzoo View Post
Yesterday night was terrible for our Jr players. 0 point for: Hudon, Archambault, Vail, Galchenyuk, Thrower, Dietz, even Bozon.
Probably one of the worst nights in recent years as far as points/number of prospects. Hey, I guess it happens from time to time. Thank god we had our NCAA guys.

Whitesnake is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 09:59 AM
  #365
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Snippin' Yank
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 49,227
vCash: 597
Nicolas Collette ‏@habsprospects
Erik Nyström continues his points streak with his 7th goal of the season in a 3-2 win vs VIK Västerås HK J20. 5 goals 2 assists in 6 games.

Good to see him scoring now.

Marc the Habs Fan is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 10:24 AM
  #366
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,582
vCash: 50
Seems they took away one of Bennett's assist from last night. He's still 2nd among D in points though. Will be interesting to see if he can maintain his hot start this year, he had 13 points in his with 16 games last season.

Watsatheo is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 10:43 AM
  #367
as15
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 93
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
On a side note....and I know it's just one game....but is Connor Gaarder somebody we should look for at the end of the year? I will probably buy the ND package soon so I'll have my own opinion but just wondering what you thought about him. Seems to have a decent size, and I know he's 21-22 year old but let just say that yesterday's game was somewhat of an eye-opener.
I would say no, as you said it was only one game. He is very gritty, and very willing to go to the dirty area's, but other than that he doesn't bring much else. Doesn't skate well enough to be an effective energy line player at the next level. As far as UND free agent's go, the player I would be looking at is Carter Rowney.

as15 is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 11:12 AM
  #368
Whitesnake
Year of the Snake
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine
Country: Canada
Posts: 43,690
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by as15 View Post
I would say no, as you said it was only one game. He is very gritty, and very willing to go to the dirty area's, but other than that he doesn't bring much else. Doesn't skate well enough to be an effective energy line player at the next level. As far as UND free agent's go, the player I would be looking at is Carter Rowney.
I've been a big Rowney fan since 2 years ago. Could be an effective bottom line player. Thanks for Gaarder. I look forward seeing him.

Whitesnake is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 11:14 AM
  #369
sfo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by as15 View Post
I would say no, as you said it was only one game. He is very gritty, and very willing to go to the dirty area's, but other than that he doesn't bring much else. Doesn't skate well enough to be an effective energy line player at the next level. As far as UND free agent's go, the player I would be looking at is Carter Rowney.
I'm going to slightly disagree.

I don't think he's one to look at after this season is over & I'll agree with you on Rowney , but I'd keep an eye on Gaarder after a few years, maybe by the time his 4 years at UND are up. He might be one to get some looks.

I say that because no one thought he'd even play much at UND, and he has surprised. I wouldn't count him out.

sfo is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 11:23 AM
  #370
Marc the Habs Fan
Moderator
Snippin' Yank
 
Marc the Habs Fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Longueuil
Country: Canada
Posts: 49,227
vCash: 597
Nicolas Collette ‏@habsprospects
Scoring changes from last night : Mac Bennett 1G 1A instead of 1G 2A, Mike Cichy 2A instead of 1A.

Marc the Habs Fan is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 01:29 PM
  #371
montreal
Time to Get Down
 
montreal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Hungary
Posts: 23,272
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
On a side note....and I know it's just one game....but is Connor Gaarder somebody we should look for at the end of the year? I will probably buy the ND package soon so I'll have my own opinion but just wondering what you thought about him. Seems to have a decent size, and I know he's 21-22 year old but let just say that yesterday's game was somewhat of an eye-opener.
I'm not sure if I'd be interested in Gaarder or not, but I'll keep an eye on him the rest of the year as i've mainly focused on Kristo and MacMillan. Carter Rowney would be the guy i'd look at for sure as I heard NHL teams were interested to sign him after last season so it will be interesting to see where he ends up signing.

Other forward NCAA FA's I'd keep an eye on, Drew Leblanc (St Cloud St) wanted the Habs to draft him as a 7th rounder in '07 over Kishel. At Michigan while he's on the small side and hasn't every really put up the points, I like Lindsay Sparks as a possible ECHLer for us next season. Another teammate FA i'd look at is Pat Mullane from BC, hopefully when the brass takes a look at Colin Sullivan they can check out Mullane.

Others that might be of interest, several I have yet to see but have heard to keep an eye on. Kyle Bodie (Union), Kalle Kossila (St Cloud St although he'll likely get drafted if he keeps putting up points, was passed over last year), Matt Neal and Jacob Laliberte (RPI), Matt Thurber (Northern Michigan), Austin Czarnik (Miami Ohio), Antoine Laganiere (Yale), Eric Robinson and Matt Lindblad (Dartmouth)

Quote:
Originally Posted by as15 View Post
I would say no, as you said it was only one game. He is very gritty, and very willing to go to the dirty area's, but other than that he doesn't bring much else. Doesn't skate well enough to be an effective energy line player at the next level. As far as UND free agent's go, the player I would be looking at is Carter Rowney.
Agreed on Rowney, I got to think he'll easily get an NHL contract after the season ends.

montreal is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 02:25 PM
  #372
Whitesnake
Year of the Snake
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine
Country: Canada
Posts: 43,690
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by montreal View Post
I'm not sure if I'd be interested in Gaarder or not, but I'll keep an eye on him the rest of the year as i've mainly focused on Kristo and MacMillan. Carter Rowney would be the guy i'd look at for sure as I heard NHL teams were interested to sign him after last season so it will be interesting to see where he ends up signing.

Other forward NCAA FA's I'd keep an eye on, Drew Leblanc (St Cloud St) wanted the Habs to draft him as a 7th rounder in '07 over Kishel. At Michigan while he's on the small side and hasn't every really put up the points, I like Lindsay Sparks as a possible ECHLer for us next season. Another teammate FA i'd look at is Pat Mullane from BC, hopefully when the brass takes a look at Colin Sullivan they can check out Mullane.

Others that might be of interest, several I have yet to see but have heard to keep an eye on. Kyle Bodie (Union), Kalle Kossila (St Cloud St although he'll likely get drafted if he keeps putting up points, was passed over last year), Matt Neal and Jacob Laliberte (RPI), Matt Thurber (Northern Michigan), Austin Czarnik (Miami Ohio), Antoine Laganiere (Yale), Eric Robinson and Matt Lindblad (Dartmouth)



Agreed on Rowney, I got to think he'll easily get an NHL contract after the season ends.
Agree on all accounts. We keep talking about Czarnik, Laganière and Mullane so I guess something will happen with them. Sparks was also an interesting prospect from me. Type of guy, like Romney that might never amount to anything offensively, but could develop into something serviceable even in the NHL.

I really can't wait to see the difference the new philsophy will bring as far as signings and invitiations. My expectations would be that it would help tremendously, yet, maybe it won't happen already next year but might take a couple of years. I hope we'd be all over the UFA's like that, yet, I also understand that we are the victim of being too good at drafting, hence not a lot of contracts available for UFA's. Reason why we need to be careful with our contracts. Reason why a guy like Dustin Walsh might not be signed. Though, he's the type of guy that we could look back and wished we would have signed him. Was way too hurt to have any kind of analysis on him. But he was too hurt.....which is somewhat of a red flag. Nygren and Pribyl...that would be interesting to see what they'll do....

Whitesnake is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 02:42 PM
  #373
hototogisu
Global Moderator
Future is Now
 
hototogisu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 32,155
vCash: 500
Awards:
If anyone was thinking about buying a day pass for HockeyStreams.com, tonight would be a good time to do so. They're showing live streams for the Bulldogs, Sting, and North Dakota games.

hototogisu is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 03:08 PM
  #374
Estimated_Prophet
Registered User
 
Estimated_Prophet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,137
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitesnake View Post
Agree on all accounts. We keep talking about Czarnik, Laganière and Mullane so I guess something will happen with them. Sparks was also an interesting prospect from me. Type of guy, like Romney that might never amount to anything offensively, but could develop into something serviceable even in the NHL.

I really can't wait to see the difference the new philsophy will bring as far as signings and invitiations. My expectations would be that it would help tremendously, yet, maybe it won't happen already next year but might take a couple of years. I hope we'd be all over the UFA's like that, yet, I also understand that we are the victim of being too good at drafting, hence not a lot of contracts available for UFA's. Reason why we need to be careful with our contracts. Reason why a guy like Dustin Walsh might not be signed. Though, he's the type of guy that we could look back and wished we would have signed him. Was way too hurt to have any kind of analysis on him. But he was too hurt.....which is somewhat of a red flag. Nygren and Pribyl...that would be interesting to see what they'll do....

I'd rather sign Obama

Estimated_Prophet is offline  
Old
11-03-2012, 05:51 PM
  #375
Whitesnake
Year of the Snake
 
Whitesnake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Lorraine
Country: Canada
Posts: 43,690
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estimated_Prophet View Post
I'd rather sign Obama
Oops....Rowney it is. Hey, it is the election this upcoming Tuesday, you can't fault me for that....

Whitesnake is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:20 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.