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Getzlaf and/or Perry as rentals.

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11-03-2012, 05:52 PM
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I assure you, the post to which you responded is not the opinion of the majority of Canucks fans.
Yup. Although I wouldn't hesitate at all with some of the equivalents put up there.

Booth, Schroeder, 2nd? Count me in.

Although 3 1st round picks is an offer I would seriously table to ensure Perry ends up in a Canucks Jersey. Hopefully we can get another 1st for this years draft, from a Luongo trade or elsewhere.

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11-03-2012, 05:57 PM
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Simmonds+Laughton+1st+2nd

I'm almost positive it doesn't work cap wise, but for ***** and giggles why not?

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11-03-2012, 06:03 PM
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I assure you, the post to which you responded is not the opinion of the majority of Canucks fans.
Thank God we have the spokesman for the Canucks fan club here



The post I made was not an actual proposal. It was meant to illustrate how the EDM offer was terrible not that I would ever seriously propose Raymond and Weise for Perry or Getz

Realistically Anaheim says No to both offers without all that much consideration for either offer.



TLDR: Wasn't serious about Raymond & Weise for Perry and Getz and the EDM offer was garbage as well.



Edit: Booth, Schroder, 2nd? Sign me up but I don't know if even that would do it.

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11-03-2012, 06:08 PM
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Thank God we have the spokesman for the Canucks fan club here



The post I made was not an actual proposal. It was meant to illustrate how the EDM offer was terrible not that I would ever seriously propose Raymond and Weise for Perry or Getz

Realistically Anaheim says No to both offers without all that much consideration for either offer.



TLDR: Wasn't serious about Raymond & Weise for Perry and Getz and the EDM offer was garbage as well.



Edit: Booth, Schroder, 2nd? Sign me up but I don't know if even that would do it.
so i ask again, rather than just bashing the offer, what would you ask for back if you were forced to trade Getzlaf?

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11-03-2012, 06:10 PM
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Thank God we have the spokesman for the Canucks fan club here



The post I made was not an actual proposal. It was meant to illustrate how the EDM offer was terrible not that I would ever seriously propose Raymond and Weise for Perry or Getz

Realistically Anaheim says No to both offers without all that much consideration for either offer.



TLDR: Wasn't serious about Raymond & Weise for Perry and Getz and the EDM offer was garbage as well.



Edit: Booth, Schroder, 2nd? Sign me up but I don't know if even that would do it.
Hemsky>>>Raymond, Gagner>>>>>>Weise, Klefbom>>>>>>> Sauve.

And trust me, I'm not an Oilers fan. You can ask the Oilers fans about that one.

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11-03-2012, 06:14 PM
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so i ask again, rather than just bashing the offer, what would you ask for back if you were forced to trade Getzlaf?
I would ask for:
A young top 6 forward on an ELC
A solid D prospect
Two B+ prospects
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11-03-2012, 06:18 PM
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I would ask for:
A young top 6 forward on an ELC
A solid D prospect
Two B+ prospects
Mid round Pick
When's the last time a player on a one-year deal garnered that?

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11-03-2012, 06:20 PM
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I would ask for:
A young top 6 forward on an ELC
A solid D prospect
Two B+ prospects
Mid round Pick
This isn't for Kopitar and Quick pal..

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I would ask for:
A young top 6 forward on an ELC
A solid D prospect
Two B+ prospects
Mid round Pick
That had better be a D grade prospect - solid makes it a solid ECHL player.

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For a #1C

Kassian/Jensen
Schroder
Sauve/K-Conn
Rodin & Friesen
(What I would ask for if I was trading Getz - not necessarily what I would expect)


Or

3 first round picks

Now thankfully we don't need a #1 or #2 centreman but I would look at a package of similar value for Perry.


It is perfectly reasonable for Anaheim to trade Getz and Perry for a package/packages of prospects and picks. If they are serious about rebuilding instead of tanking repeatedly for almost a decade like the Oilers to rebuild through the flipping of star players. For the long term health of the franchise it makes more sense for them to blow up most of the core and rebuild. Keep Ryan as he's locked up long term and have the team centre around Ryan, Fowler and Pelly plus whatever return Perry and Getz fetch. Plus Getz might resign as a UFA anyways.


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I would ask for:
A young top 6 forward on an ELC
A solid D prospect
Two B+ prospects
Mid round Pick
So thats what you'd ask for?

I'll counter with;
Gagner, Klefbom, Pitlik/Lander/MPS, 2013 2nd(moves to a 1st in 2014 if he signs an extention)

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11-03-2012, 08:25 PM
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Gagner, 1st and a prospect for a signed Getzlaf. If he wants out, why not go to a future contender.

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11-03-2012, 08:32 PM
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Gagner, 1st and a prospect for a signed Getzlaf. If he wants out, why not go to a future contender.
Maybe if that picks a top ten.

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11-03-2012, 08:40 PM
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3 1st for Perry assuming he'll sign to a decent term here would be interesting. He would ensure those picks being pretty late....maybe even the latest :>

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11-03-2012, 08:42 PM
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Gagner, 1st and a prospect for a signed Getzlaf. If he wants out, why not go to a future contender.
A signed Getzlaf doesn't get traded, and if he does its for one of your big 4. Edmonton wouldn't be able to afford all 4 of them + Getzlaf + Schultz in a few years regardless.

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A signed Getzlaf doesn't get traded, and if he does its for one of your big 4. Edmonton wouldn't be able to afford all 4 of them + Getzlaf + Schultz in a few years regardless.
If i was making decisions for the ducks and Getzlaf was willing to sign i dont disagree with you. I'd be asking for Hopkins back in return. But thats not the purpose of the proposal... its only reasonable if Getzlaf refuses to sign and has to be traded. Something that would completly suck for a ducks fan, but i hope you can appriciate that an oilers fan would know your pain.

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If i was making decisions for the ducks and Getzlaf was willing to sign i dont disagree with you. I'd be asking for Hopkins back in return. But thats not the purpose of the proposal... its only reasonable if Getzlaf refuses to sign and has to be traded. Something that would completly suck for a ducks fan, but i hope you can appriciate that an oilers fan would know your pain.
I think the Ducks would want someone other than Gagner as the centerpiece for the rental trade but I agree with you otherwise. I was just responding to the poster saying that was the price for a signed Getzlaf.

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Gagner, 1st and a prospect for a signed Getzlaf. If he wants out, why not go to a future contender.
A signed Getzlaf would get so much more.

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11-03-2012, 10:50 PM
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The ultimate scenario for the Ducks would be the following:

- Lockout ends and we have something of a season
- They seem to be on track to miss playoffs again by trade deadline
- BM, Getz & Perry all make a "silent agreement" to trade them and acquire quality assets, they go elsewhere (to contenders most likely, so they get to enjoy playoff run and maybe a Cup) - then re-sign long-term in Anaheim in the summer.

- Anaheim gains assets to be stronger next season and beyond.
- They probably finish the season very low to get a lottery pick
- Getz and Perry get a playoff run and potential Cup

Obviously, in reality, it won't happen as:

- The PR backlash would be huge, fans won't know about the "secret handshake"
- The risk is too big they won't come back. Even if they give their word at the time, they may like their new team, or change their minds while away from "home" and seek UFA money.

It's not unimaginable...I think it's happened with Weight and Tkachuk before, just not players of Perry/Getz's caliber and not two of them at once.

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The ultimate scenario for the Ducks would be the following:

- Lockout ends and we have something of a season
- They seem to be on track to miss playoffs again by trade deadline
- BM, Getz & Perry all make a "silent agreement" to trade them and acquire quality assets, they go elsewhere (to contenders most likely, so they get to enjoy playoff run and maybe a Cup) - then re-sign long-term in Anaheim in the summer.

- Anaheim gains assets to be stronger next season and beyond.
- They probably finish the season very low to get a lottery pick
- Getz and Perry get a playoff run and potential Cup

Obviously, in reality, it won't happen as:

- The PR backlash would be huge, fans won't know about the "secret handshake"
- The risk is too big they won't come back. Even if they give their word at the time, they may like their new team, or change their minds while away from "home" and seek UFA money.

It's not unimaginable...I think it's happened with Weight and Tkachuk before, just not players of Perry/Getz's caliber and not two of them at once.
We're good. The only assets we should be interested in acquiring for the future are Getzlaf and Perry.

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We're good. The only assets we should be interested in acquiring for the future are Getzlaf and Perry.
The above was contingent on them re-signing (in ideal situation land, not reality land as mentioned).

ie. if you pick up say at least 1 extra 1st from each, maybe a solid 2nd liner like a Wayne Simmonds type...and get them both back in the summer, you'd be a stronger team.

Those picks or any prospects can be packaged elsewhere to get higher quality items like a higher pick or solid player.

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The ultimate scenario for the Ducks would be the following:

- Lockout ends and we have something of a season
- They seem to be on track to miss playoffs again by trade deadline
- BM, Getz & Perry all make a "silent agreement" to trade them and acquire quality assets, they go elsewhere (to contenders most likely, so they get to enjoy playoff run and maybe a Cup) - then re-sign long-term in Anaheim in the summer.

- Anaheim gains assets to be stronger next season and beyond.
- They probably finish the season very low to get a lottery pick
- Getz and Perry get a playoff run and potential Cup


Obviously, in reality, it won't happen as:

- The PR backlash would be huge, fans won't know about the "secret handshake"
- The risk is too big they won't come back. Even if they give their word at the time, they may like their new team, or change their minds while away from "home" and seek UFA money.

It's not unimaginable...I think it's happened with Weight and Tkachuk before, just not players of Perry/Getz's caliber and not two of them at once.
There's no point to any of the bolded. Ideal situation for Anaheim is:
1) Lockout ends;
2) Getzlaf and Perry sign matching long-term deals.

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A signed Getzlaf would get so much more.
That is why I said if he wanted out. As in a sign and trade.

If it was just a straight up trade offer for a signed Getzlaf, Anaheim would want an arm and a leg.

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The above was contingent on them re-signing (in ideal situation land, not reality land as mentioned).

ie. if you pick up say at least 1 extra 1st from each, maybe a solid 2nd liner like a Wayne Simmonds type...and get them both back in the summer, you'd be a stronger team.

Those picks or any prospects can be packaged elsewhere to get higher quality items like a higher pick or solid player.
We don't need to tank for prospects and extra parts. Those two are our biggest need at the moment.

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For a #1C

Kassian/Jensen
Schroder
Sauve/K-Conn
Rodin & Friesen
(What I would ask for if I was trading Getz - not necessarily what I would expect).
Is this serious? As a Canucks fan I'd gladly trade all of this (including the "or" items) + Gaunce (since there is no or on the Schroeder line) for Getzlaf and Perry.

There isn't much value in that package as far as NHL upside save for Kassian, Jensen, Gaunce, and Connaughton and none of those guys really has superstar upside like the guys being acquired.

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