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high scoring winger vs two way 55-60 point centreman

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11-04-2012, 09:25 AM
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high scoring winger vs two way 55-60 point centreman

As shown in title, which holds more value?

A high scoring winger capable of 40-40 and does little else (Kessel, Kane). Also major game breaker.

A two way centre with perpetual 30-30 and is excellent in all areas of the game.

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11-04-2012, 09:47 AM
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As shown in title, which holds more value?

A high scoring winger capable of 40-40 and does little else (Kessel, Kane). Also major game breaker.

A two way centre with perpetual 30-30 and is excellent in all areas of the game.
Essentially a top-line winger vs a very strong #2 centreman.

I'd rather take the winger, although it would be a very difficult decision.

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11-04-2012, 09:49 AM
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Value wise the winger will always be worth more because of the game breaker ability. I think you need both equally on a winning team however (see leafs vs hawks a prime example)

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The center holds more value.

Go through the Stanley Cup Champs the past 20 years and see how those teams were built.

Teams built through the wings are doomed to fail.

Don't get me wrong, the high scoring winger certainly is very nice to have but the team without strength down the middle ain't going nowhere.

I guess it depends what your end game is. If you're talking about regular season success, then whatever. But if you want to win the cup, I would take 3 - two-way 55-60 point centers with a bunch of average wingers over 3 - 40-40 wingers with a bunch of average centers any day of the week.

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I would take the 30-30 guy, Defense is incrediby important, and IMO is worth more then the 20 points, especially if the 40-40 guy is horrible Defensively, while the 30-30 guy is a Top 5 Selke guy.

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As shown in title, which holds more value?

A high scoring winger capable of 40-40 and does little else (Kessel, Kane). Also major game breaker.

A two way centre with perpetual 30-30 and is excellent in all areas of the game.
Supply and demand.

Value is no so much about who is the best player or who is the most useful to his team.

Its about the market and which kind of player is the hardest to find.

Theoretically, what would be the value of a Stamkos, if there was 100 Stamkos equivalent players avaible on the UFA market for cheap every summer ?

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11-04-2012, 09:58 AM
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40-40 isn't Kane or Kessel, it's Kovalchuk and Gaborik.

IF you had an all-around 30/30 center you'd be describing someone like Toews, there's very few centers who routinely put up 30 goals period, much less with stellar defensive play. Which makes this a pretty easy call for the center IMO.

It would be harder to answer if the center was a 20-40 guy.

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you need both... the leafs or hawks definitely wouldn't trade kessel or patrick kane for say J. Staal or Zajac

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40-40 isn't Kane or Kessel, it's Kovalchuk and Gaborik.

IF you had an all-around 30/30 center you'd be describing someone like Toews, there's very few centers who routinely put up 30 goals period, much less with stellar defensive play. Which makes this a pretty easy call for the center IMO.

It would be harder to answer if the center was a 20-40 guy.
I should have been clearer. I made reference to Kane and Kessel as the latter part of my statement (do little else as in scoring points and not the 40-40 part). Major error in articulating what I meant there

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I'll go with the winger because it's much easier to find a good centerman then a winger

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If I had to choose between say Perry/Kovi/Stamkos and Toews/Kesler/Datsuyk I would probably take the two-way centremen over the snipers. They offer more as a player.

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As shown in title, which holds more value?

A high scoring winger capable of 40-40 and does little else (Kessel, Kane). Also major game breaker.

A two way centre with perpetual 30-30 and is excellent in all areas of the game.
its impossible to say... contracts/age/team needs/chemistry...

but as an example... Patrice Bergeron and David Krecji fit your definition of very good 2 way centers and play for my team. I wouldnt deal either of them straight up for Phil Kessel who was also a Bruin but I might deal either of them straight up for Patrick Kane or Bobby Ryan or Rick Nash.

So I guess I think in general terms an elite game breaking winger is worth more then a very well rounded second line center

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David Backes is probably the center you're describing. 30-30, elite physical play, elite defensive play, etc.

I'd take a David Backes over a Phil Kessel or a Patrick Kane.

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As shown in title, which holds more value?

A high scoring winger capable of 40-40 and does little else (Kessel, Kane). Also major game breaker.

A two way centre with perpetual 30-30 and is excellent in all areas of the game.
Basicly Kessels vrs Pleks.
Have to take Kessels here because him and Gally would be awesome together and we do have Eller to step up in Pleks place.

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It depends on the team really. If I'm Detroit I definitely go with the high scoring winger. If I'm Chicago or Washington I would probably go with the center. The center seems to be the more important piece in the playoffs, but it all depends on a team's needs.

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Travis Zajac can do it if healthy

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I'd take Gaborik over Stepan AINEC.

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I'd take Gaborik over Stepan AINEC.
Probably because Stepan isn't an elite two-way 60 point center.

But how did I know you were going to come here and make a post that had solely to do with the Rangers?

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In a vaccum, I'd pick the center.

But there is a point if the other centers on the team are good enough and can play enough tough minutes where the winger will be a better pick.

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If I had to choose between say Perry/Kovi/Stamkos and Toews/Kesler/Datsuyk I would probably take the two-way centremen over the snipers. They offer more as a player.
The bolded doesn't belong in that conversation IMO, I take it to mean that you'd take Kesler over those other 3 goal scorers?

As for the question, is the 60 point center a product offensively of his wingers or vice versa? If it's Kessel Vs. Toews, I take Toews, if it's a guy that's solid defensively but the 3rd wheel on his line, then I take the high scoring winger.

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The game-breaking winger has more value and is more important, and anybody saying otherwise is a liar.

High-end centers are not more important than wingers. The "well look at stanley cup winners durrr" argument is because there are way more high-end centers than high-end wingers, not because they have some magical ability.

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If I had to choose between say Perry/Kovi/Stamkos and Toews/Kesler/Datsuyk I would probably take the two-way centremen over the snipers. They offer more as a player.
One of these names is not like the others...

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Center depth is crucial to winning championships.

High scoring wingers arent.

Id take a Jordan Staal over a Kessel or a Gaborik everyday.

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Center depth is crucial to winning championships.

High scoring wingers arent.

Id take a Jordan Staal over a Kessel or a Gaborik everyday.
That's because you're obsessed with Jordan Staal. I'd take Kessel over him.

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Center, as simple as that

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