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Make Whole, Not War (CBA & Lockout Discussion) XIX

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11-04-2012, 09:17 AM
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I'm not so sure about this, I think the players are starting to get upset and wanna play. If there not as dumb as they come off on twitter (Which there is no way they are) I think there putting pressure on Fehr to get something done.
I'm sure the players wanna play however Fehr is a master at keeping them inline and telling them sweet nothings....however I'm sure after the little leak about how the league verbally offered to make a change to the "makewhole" and the players didn'tknow about it before the league cancelled the WC. The players must be wondering what the hell he is doing besides stalling, it's not against the law for him to go after the league for demands for the players and try to get the best deal....the only way Fehr knows how to deal is by playing chicken, and I suspect this will be no different.....don't expect a deal within the month.

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11-04-2012, 09:18 AM
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Time doesn't change until 3am.
2am... which means it could have been 2 am rolled back to 1 (which I seriously doubt but it's possible)

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11-04-2012, 09:21 AM
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You realize RFA, UFA, ELC are all about distribution of money being paid out, not the total amount. ATM imo there is too many 22 yr olds that are gettin too high of contracts.
I agree with this. Too much money too early, and as free agents they fly the coop. Makes it hard for teams to reap the rewards of a good hockey program.

I think this is why teams like the Senators will pass on a primo hockey talent if they seem to have character issues. A player might milk the team for dollars and be a locker room problem, then leave while hitting their prime.

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11-04-2012, 09:21 AM
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2am... which means it could have been 2 am rolled back to 1 (which I seriously doubt but it's possible)
Yeah that. Stupid fat finger lol.

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11-04-2012, 09:25 AM
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It was good to see Bill Daly and Steve Fehr negotiate for long hours on core-economics. It's the first time in that process.

Glad to see not too much was leaked out of this meeting.

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11-04-2012, 09:49 AM
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NHL per Bob McKenzie:

We had a series of meetings over the course of the day and had a good, frank discussion on the most important issues separating us...
"... We plan to meet again early in the week."

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11-04-2012, 09:52 AM
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NHL per Bob McKenzie:

We had a series of meetings over the course of the day and had a good, frank discussion on the most important issues separating us...
"... We plan to meet again early in the week."
No *****ing to the media? Plans to meet again? A "good" discussion that lasted over 6 hours?

Yeah, I'd say that someone got the memo. Let's get the deal done this week.

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11-04-2012, 09:58 AM
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Here's my reasoning for no Toronto 2nd team...

NY Metro Area: 22 million
GTA: 6 million

The math supports why each market has the number of teams they have.
Your point is flawed, Winnipeg metro has around 700,000 people; therefore, NY metro should have 31 teams or the whole NHL.


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11-04-2012, 10:12 AM
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If they're seriously negotiating, the pressure to get a deal done is coming from the owners, since the players supposedly have no leverage and are surely cracking. Apparently unlike the solidarity of the 30 owners.

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11-04-2012, 10:14 AM
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Here's my reasoning for no Toronto 2nd team...

NY Metro Area: 22 million
GTA: 6 million

The math supports why each market has the number of teams they have.
Instead of counting heads in the GTA or NY area, you should probably go back and count hockey fans.

I am willing to bet that the GTA has far more hockey fans than NY area.

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11-04-2012, 10:15 AM
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If they're seriously negotiating, the pressure to get a deal done is coming from the owners, since the players supposedly have no leverage and are surely cracking. Apparently unlike the solidarity of the 30 owners.

Looks like they formulated that statement together as well. Great sign.

Now lets see if Gary and don can ruin this

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11-04-2012, 10:22 AM
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Looks like they formulated that statement together as well. Great sign.

Now lets see if Gary and don can ruin this
Ya pretty much

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11-04-2012, 10:28 AM
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You realize RFA, UFA, ELC are all about distribution of money being paid out, not the total amount. ATM imo there is too many 22 yr olds that are gettin too high of contracts.
Meedle,

YES I do understand it's about the distribution of $$. I have long believed that the PA was willing to conceed on $$ or % of HRR but the players rights issues, such as ELC, Arb., RFA UFA were much more critical to their willingness to sign an agreement.

The original proposals of the NHL owners while egregous on their face were designed to focus the PA on % of HRR or total $$ while the real issues they wanted was to able to control player movement and value over the life of a players career. I'm wondering why so many here are having difficulty grasping that concept.

Oh well lets hope that the meetings yesterday did focus on the issues of player rights and movement and that there was some constructive movement. If not, well the season is probably lost.

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11-04-2012, 10:34 AM
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Here's my reasoning for no Toronto 2nd team...

NY Metro Area: 22 million
GTA: 6 million

The math supports why each market has the number of teams they have.
Why no teams in Mexico City then?

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11-04-2012, 10:42 AM
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Why no teams in Mexico City then?
It'd be to expensive to maintain ice down there

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11-04-2012, 10:59 AM
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Why no teams in Mexico City then?
Little to no interest.

Although, there is a new Mexican League I believe.

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11-04-2012, 11:09 AM
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It'd be to expensive to maintain ice down there
how is it to expensive to maintain ice in mexico, but can be done in san jose? or even los angeles? or even anaheim?

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11-04-2012, 11:12 AM
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Guys, could someone please post a link about the NHL's "make whole" proposal that wasn't relayed to the players for 3 days? I'd really like to see it.

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11-04-2012, 11:15 AM
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It's due to the cold weather outside. They need to stay warm with no revenue coming in to pay for heat
Don't move to California then. We're expecting a heat wave (AKA very late Indian Summer) this coming week.

+20'F. (Temps in the 80s expected locally)

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Guys, could someone please post a link about the NHL's "make whole" proposal that wasn't relayed to the players for 3 days? I'd really like to see it.
Wasn't "leaked" to media.

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11-04-2012, 11:16 AM
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mexico city would be awesome in so many ways.

they do have some pretty cool team names http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liga_Mexicana_%C3%89lite

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11-04-2012, 11:20 AM
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how is it to expensive to maintain ice in mexico, but can be done in san jose? or even los angeles? or even anaheim?
San Jose is quite a bit north from LA/Anaheim, and the Southern California ice is usually regarded as atrocious. The players at 2011's All Star game ranked the worst ice as Florida, NYR, Tampa, Anaheim, and LA.

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11-04-2012, 11:26 AM
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San Jose is quite a bit north from LA/Anaheim, and the Southern California ice is usually regarded as atrocious. The players at 2011's All Star game ranked the worst ice as Florida, NYR, Tampa, Anaheim, and LA.
having the rangers in there just shows that having bad ice is not about what the weather is like outside. its all about the way the ice is taken care of.

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11-04-2012, 11:31 AM
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having the rangers in there just shows that having bad ice is not about what the weather is like outside. its all about the way the ice is taken care of.
Or it shows that you can have bad ice in spite of the weather outside. It certainly doesn't show that it's easy to have good ice in hot weather.

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11-04-2012, 11:32 AM
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having the rangers in there just shows that having bad ice is not about what the weather is like outside. its all about the way the ice is taken care of.
Not exactly. You are right in that the Rangers ice is poor because MSG is both a dated facility and one that is CONSTANTLY (i.e. daily) installing/removing surfaces for events. All of the other teams there (SoCal teams + FL teams) are in warmer climates where there is not much they can reasonably do to account for the 80+F temps outside and the desired close-to-freezing temperatures inside.

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11-04-2012, 11:35 AM
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Here's my reasoning for no Toronto 2nd team...

NY Metro Area: 22 million
GTA: 6 million

The math supports why each market has the number of teams they have.
The simple response to this is look at the team values:

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/


22 million makes less than 6 million...

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