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Erik Cole
Sebastian Collberg
Montreal 2nd
Dalton Thrower
Ray Emery
Roberto Luongo
Patrick Kane
Eddie Lack
Carey Price
Mason Raymond
Why each team does it:
Vancouver gets a solid veteran winger who will likely have one or two good seasons left to help compete now, as well as getting some good futures(including a BC boy) to help bolster the team in the long run. Eddie Lack is a stud, but he's only two years younger than Schneider. Emery would make a nice backup until Cannata is ready for his chance, and in all likelihood we won't need a replacement for about 10 years, and we'll have plenty of opportunities to draft someone between now and then.
Montreal gets a FRENCH(sort of) goalie, and increases their depth in net(right now I believe they don't have much in net beyond Price). Eddie Lack is a top goaltending prospect, and could very likely take up Luongo's mantle in a couple of years when he retires(and the cap goes back to Vancouver, presumably). More importantly, they get an elite young winger to strengthen their forward group.
Chicago trades an offensively elite but defensively lacklustre winger for an elite goaltender, who would make all the difference to allow the defense to focus more on contributing on offense with the security of an elite goaltender in net to fall back on. They also get a decent winger who could help make up for some of the missing offense and who is also good defensively.
In summation, the way I see the value is:
Price = Kane
Raymond = Emery
Collberg = Lack
Luongo = Cole, 2nd, Thrower
Montreal won't be competing for the cup for another 5-10 years, so it makes no sense for them to trade for an experienced (aging) goalie (especially if it's a downgrade). Also, Vancouver would want a better piece then Cole if they do trade Luongo, especially if they are giving away Lack too. They want to see what they have in him. Chicago will never trade Kane, although, they might be tempted to for Price... this is how i see it.
Montreal won't be competing for the cup for another 5-10 years, so it makes no sense for them to trade for an experienced (aging) goalie (especially if it's a downgrade). Also, Vancouver would want a better piece then Cole if they do trade Luongo, especially if they are giving away Lack too. They want to see what they have in him. Chicago will never trade Kane, although, they might be tempted to for Price... this is how i see it.
I pretty much see it the same way as you. I think Chicago might trade Kane if the right deal came along though, but I'm not sure this is the trade that would go down for other reasons you mention.
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I told ya so. I was right all along!
You're replacing Cole with Kane and Price with Luongo and Lack as a future replacement.
How does that make you worse?
Price >> Luongo
Kane > Cole
And they give up prospects and a second.
Montreal won't trade one of their top young players for an aging past-his-prime goalie especially considering that they are going into a rebuild. Montreal getting Schnieder makes more sense but not much more.
Montreal won't trade one of their top young players for an aging past-his-prime goalie especially considering that they are going into a rebuild. Montreal getting Schnieder makes more sense but not much more.
So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?
So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?
Well, on one side MTL would have at least been 2nd last with Luongo instead, and on the other, in the Cup finals vs Boston Vancouver would have won.
Horrible for Montreal. If we were to ever trade price it wouldn't be for a soft one way winger, especially with attitude issues. People say Kane's attitude issues are overblown but Montreal is the worst place for a player like that because first the media will encourage it and act like he is a god and then turn on him and chase him out of town as soon as he shows a slight dip in play.
Also Cole has more trade value than Luongo IMO. He is coming off a career year with 35G 61P and tons of hits (I forget how many and am too lazy to look it up). Luongo's year last year could just be an off year or it could be the start of him regressing. With that huge contract of his I wouldn't be willing to take that chance (especially with how fragile he is and the ferociousness of our media).
I have huge hopes for Collberg and wouldn't trade him for a goalie that is as old as Price but has never seen NHL action. Adding in the pick and Thrower into the equation is just more reason to say no.
Next time maybe consider some of Montreal's needs.
So the difference between Price and Luongo(if there even is one, apart from age) is twice as big as the one between Kane and Cole(who have an even bigger age gap)?
Luongo would get shredded by our media. There is zero chance he is coming here even if Carey gets hit by a bus tomorrow.
Horrible for Montreal. If we were to ever trade price it wouldn't be for a soft one way winger, especially with attitude issues. People say Kane's attitude issues are overblown but Montreal is the worst place for a player like that because first the media will encourage it and act like he is a god and then turn on him and chase him out of town as soon as he shows a slight dip in play.
I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us than anything tangible.
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Also Cole has more trade value than Luongo IMO. He is coming off a career year with 35G 61P and tons of hits (I forget how many and am too lazy to look it up). Luongo's year last year could just be an off year or it could be the start of him regressing. With that huge contract of his I wouldn't be willing to take that chance (especially with how fragile he is and the ferociousness of our media).
How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver? Luongo is well past the "fragile" stage as you call it; take a look at his twitter feed if you don't believe me. He's become much more open and relaxed ever since last summer.
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I have huge hopes for Collberg and wouldn't trade him for a goalie that is as old as Price but has never seen NHL action. Adding in the pick and Thrower into the equation is just more reason to say no.
Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record than Collberg in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.
Last edited by Vankiller Whale: 11-04-2012 at 05:42 PM.
I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us.
How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver?
Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.
I was going to get into an argument with you then I read this line and I realized it is pointless. No, Lack is not more established than Price.
I'll let Blackhawks answer questions about his "attitude issues." I don't like the guy, but that's more because of his succes against us than anything tangible.
How did Luongo have a down year? This was one of his best years with us. He played excellently. And to say Cole has more value than Luongo seems beyond irrational to me. And do you really think Montreal is so much worse than Vancouver? Luongo is well past the "fragile" stage as you call it; take a look at his twitter feed if you don't believe me. He's become much more open and relaxed ever since last summer.
Lack is actually a year younger than Price, and has a much more successfull and established track record in the pros.
The reason why he hasn't seen NHL action might have something to do with the two goalies ahead of him on the depth chart.
well for starters he lost his job on a stacked team. I wonder how he would look on the 3rd worst team in the league last year???
