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11-04-2012, 05:28 PM
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I liked him more than Ceci and still do

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11-04-2012, 05:37 PM
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It's really way too early to say hes the steal of the draft.

Seth Griffith looks like every bit as much of a steal. You get him in the 5th round and he's on pace for 50 goals this season.
Seth Griffith is also a year older than Finn.

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11-04-2012, 06:08 PM
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Him or Frk. Frk is a head case though, today proved it yet again

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11-04-2012, 06:27 PM
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He struggled last night in St Catharines, a 9-4 loss.
He was benched late in the 2nd and pretty much all of the 3rd.

Minus 3 today in another loss, vs London.

Sparks was chased early in 1st period, 3 goals against on 8 shots.

Not a good night for Leaf prospects.

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11-04-2012, 06:41 PM
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Not after his last two games.

JK, yeah I'm really excited with him, hometown boy!

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11-04-2012, 06:54 PM
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Didn't like what I saw at the game in Guelph against Oshawa on Friday.

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11-04-2012, 07:03 PM
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Definitely one of the steals of the draft. He is a safe bet to become a top 4 d-man easily, IMO.

And as for his game against Oshawa, he definitely didn't look good at all but remember every prospects have several bad games. Oshawa were just too tough to handle physically for Finn and the entire Guelph team in general. They were also easily outmatched by superior Ice Dogs squad.

Speaking of prospects with bad game, Rielly also had his worst game yesterday night from what I saw since his game against the Oil Kings.

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11-04-2012, 07:06 PM
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Didn't like what I saw at the game in Guelph against Oshawa on Friday.
What didn't you like?

He didn't stand out as much as I would have liked to see, but I certainly couldn't say there was anything I didn't like about his game. He was solid at the very least.

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11-04-2012, 07:13 PM
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Yeah no kidding I saw Moroz play this year and it boggles my mind he was drafted as high as he was. I'd be shocked if he ever played a game in the nhl. I also wondered how on earth a talent scout could possibly choose Reinhart over Reilly. Sometimes I think these guys just over think the picks and talk themselves into picking players based on other factors
It's because Reinhart is also a very solid defender who has immense upside and didn't miss nearly his entire draft year with an injury...

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11-04-2012, 07:36 PM
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It's really way too early to say hes the steal of the draft.

Seth Griffith looks like every bit as much of a steal. You get him in the 5th round and he's on pace for 50 goals this season.
Problem with Seth is no one drafted him in his draft year and he only re-entered it as a 19 yr old and was still passed on well into the 5th rd. I don't like his chances.

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11-04-2012, 08:03 PM
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Didn't like what I saw at the game in Guelph against Oshawa on Friday.
Not sure what was not to not like about Finn against Oshawa. Everytime Biggs and Jenner went up against Finn, Finn neutralized them. I know stats only tell part of the story but Finn had a goal and an assist and was +2. Biggs and Jenner -2 with Jenner only potting a PP goal.

Finn is not going to bring you out of the seats like Rielly, he just does his job with quiet efficiency.

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11-04-2012, 08:30 PM
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Not sure what was not to not like about Finn against Oshawa. Everytime Biggs and Jenner went up against Finn, Finn neutralized them. I know stats only tell part of the story but Finn had a goal and an assist and was +2. Biggs and Jenner -2 with Jenner only potting a PP goal.

Finn is not going to bring you out of the seats like Rielly, he just does his job with quiet efficiency.
His goal was brutal.

Finn was solid. I wouldn't say he completely shut down Jenner as he had chances just couldn't bury anything. But seriously, Finn's been really good all season. Calling him the steal of the draft on November 3rd is ridiculous though.

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11-04-2012, 08:32 PM
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Not sure what was not to not like about Finn against Oshawa. Everytime Biggs and Jenner went up against Finn, Finn neutralized them. I know stats only tell part of the story but Finn had a goal and an assist and was +2. Biggs and Jenner -2 with Jenner only potting a PP goal.

Finn is not going to bring you out of the seats like Rielly, he just does his job with quiet efficiency.
Countless giveaway and awful passes was something that stood out the most.

Couple led to scoring chances for Oshawa.

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11-04-2012, 08:34 PM
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Countless giveaway and awful passes was something that stood out the most.

Couple led to scoring chances for Oshawa.


its just one game, he has been fantastic though this year

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11-04-2012, 08:40 PM
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His goal was brutal.

Finn was solid. I wouldn't say he completely shut down Jenner as he had chances just couldn't bury anything. But seriously, Finn's been really good all season. Calling him the steal of the draft on November 3rd is ridiculous though.
I didn't call him the steal of the draft, but I will say he will be better than some of the d men that were picked in the 1st rd. The goal was lucky no doubt but they all count, still I think some people expect Finn to be like Rielly, they are different players and should compliment each other well.

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11-04-2012, 08:44 PM
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Countless giveaway and awful passes was something that stood out the most.

Couple led to scoring chances for Oshawa.
He had one giveaway I recall that led to a chance, but he also closed down a lot of plays with his stick, positioning, and just anticipation. Jenner was buzzing but didn't really have many good looks, other than the PP goal where biggs provided the screen. I thought his game may not been his best, but it was far from bad. We will agree to disagree Eb on this one.

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11-04-2012, 09:20 PM
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What about Conner Brown?

If some think Matt Finn is the steal of the draft, then what do you make of Conner Brown? 6th round pick with 21 points so far playing on a lousy team like Erie.

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11-04-2012, 10:11 PM
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"Great skating"? Oh, cool, and here I thought that was quite obviously (you know, from watching him play?) his largest weakness. Good to know the word "great" has suddenly changed.

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No Franson?
I believe Franson should and will be a big part of our futre d-core.
Very valuable defenseman.

Personally, I don't see a future for Franson here in Toronto. Too bad as it seems he hasn't been given a fair chance to succeed.

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11-04-2012, 10:39 PM
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Personally, I don't see a future for Franson here in Toronto. Too bad as it seems he hasn't been given a fair chance to succeed.
Actually I am starting to see why Poille let Franson go last year, not much there. He and Blacker don't impress me much.

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11-04-2012, 10:47 PM
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Franson I think will carve himself out an NHL career, but I also don't see a future for him in Toronto. I think he will be one of those guys who seems to jump around and change teams every year through UFA/trade since nobody really wants him, he will be a placeholder until they get someone they rather have developed/acquired.

He can bring some offense, he has size but doesn't use it as much as he could and his defense still could use some work. I think he is an NHLer, but one that only a handful of teams could use each year.

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11-04-2012, 11:16 PM
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I see at minimum this player will pan out to be an Ian White. I have a lot of interest in Matthew Finn and what he can/will become.
hes not gritty like ian white. very good hockey sense. plays a lot of minutes, shut down the jenner line very effectively (only goal they scored i think he was in the box) jenner and biggs line

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11-04-2012, 11:26 PM
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is drafting a 2nd pairing Dmen in the 2nd round a steal? I don't really think so.
Drafting a serviceable NHLer is considered a good pick, drafting a solid top 4 D is a steal, maybe not the steal of the draft but a steal nonetheless.

For reference, top 4 D 2nd round picks

2009 - 1
2008 - 5
2007 - 1
2006 - 2
2005 - 1
2004 - 1
2003 - 2
2002 - 3
2001 - 0
2000 - 1

Majority of drafts see 1 top 4 D picked in the second round...

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Drafting a serviceable NHLer is considered a good pick, drafting a solid top 4 D is a steal, maybe not the steal of the draft but a steal nonetheless.

For reference, top 4 D 2nd round picks

2009 - 1
2008 - 5
2007 - 1
2006 - 2
2005 - 1
2004 - 1
2003 - 2
2002 - 3
2001 - 0
2000 - 1

Majority of drafts see 1 top 4 D picked in the second round...
I don't look at it like that. imo when you draft someone in the 2nd round your expectations of him is to develop into a top 6 top 4 starting goaltender. otherwise you wouldn't be picking them. if they meet those expectations I don't see that as a steal. if they exceed those expectations then it is a steal.

based on average more players never make the NHL then who do in the 2nd round if 10 guys make the NHL then it was a very good 2nd round, does that make 2nd round picks like Lappiere or Crombeen steals as they are better then the average 2nd rounder. personally I don't think so.

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Not sure what was not to not like about Finn against Oshawa. Everytime Biggs and Jenner went up against Finn, Finn neutralized them. I know stats only tell part of the story but Finn had a goal and an assist and was +2. Biggs and Jenner -2 with Jenner only potting a PP goal.

Finn is not going to bring you out of the seats like Rielly, he just does his job with quiet efficiency.
He is very smart and efficient, doesn't wow u at all. There were 2-3 chances of a nice breakout that he just threw around the boards or bad pass but by the 3rd he was good. Prolly first time being on a big stage like that tbh.

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