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11-01-2012, 01:32 PM
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All time North American vs European

Made an earlier post about present day players... European trained vs North American and most of you, though i disagree, were on North American side. Said that the style was too physical and most of you said it was a no brainer...

Anyway, i was now thinking of who would win in a best of 7 of North American vs European players OF ALL TIME. Looking at some of the best European players of all time, i would HIGHLY doubt any smart man would call them small.

European
Khalarmov
Maltsev
Mikhalov
Konstantinov
Fedorov
Makarov
Kasatonov
Fetisov
Zubov
Larinov
Jagr
Forsberg
Lidstrom
Salming

etc etc etc

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11-01-2012, 02:48 PM
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Considering the massive head start that Canada has on every country when it comes to hockey history and that even today elite talent is roughly equal between North America and Europe, the North American team wins this easily.

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11-01-2012, 03:05 PM
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Considering the massive head start that Canada has on every country when it comes to hockey history and that even today elite talent is roughly equal between North America and Europe, the North American team wins this easily.
I am not talking about which side has better development or which side has MORE talent.

Put the two teams of their best talent together, and i dont think its easy at all.

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11-01-2012, 05:04 PM
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I am not talking about which side has better development or which side has MORE talent.

Put the two teams of their best talent together, and i dont think its easy at all.
Assuming everyone is at their best, 7 game series.

North America

Lemieux Gretzky Howe
Hull Beliveau Richard
Messier Clarke Cook
Trottier Mikita Lindros
Morenz

Orr Harvey
Bourque Robinson
Potvin Chelios
Shore

Roy
Plante
Brodeur

Europe

Ovechkin Malkin Jagr
Kharlamov Forsberg Makarov
Lehtinen Fedorov Kurri
Hossa Stastny Mikhailov
Selanne

Lidstrom Vasiliev
Fetisov Kasatonov
Salming Chara
Suchy

Hasek
Tretiak
Lundqvist

North America has an edge in every area, and when it comes to defence that edge is actually quite large. Starting goaltender might be a slight edge for Europe, but basically it's equal.

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11-01-2012, 08:37 PM
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North America, well, let's face it (Canada) wins this.

It would be interesting but Canada's overall strength takes it.

As a side note I think Esposito should be there.

But yeah, tough series but Canada (North America wins this)

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11-02-2012, 11:47 AM
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From say '67 on would be interesting, but including O6 era and it isn't all that close.

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11-02-2012, 11:50 AM
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I'll take the team with Hasek and if you need size and defense throw out this 4th line: Holik-Kopitar-Mikko Koivu and its taken care of.

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Assuming everyone is at their best, 7 game series.

North America

Lemieux Gretzky Howe
Hull Beliveau Richard
Messier Clarke Cook
Trottier Mikita Lindros
Morenz

Orr Harvey
Bourque Robinson
Potvin Chelios
Shore

Roy
Plante
Brodeur

Europe

Ovechkin Malkin Jagr
Kharlamov Forsberg Makarov
Lehtinen Fedorov Kurri
Hossa Stastny Mikhailov
Selanne

Lidstrom Vasiliev
Fetisov Kasatonov
Salming Chara
Suchy

Hasek
Tretiak
Lundqvist

North America has an edge in every area, and when it comes to defence that edge is actually quite large. Starting goaltender might be a slight edge for Europe, but basically it's equal.
Lehtinen, Kurri, Hossa, Chara, Suchy ... all among the greatest Europeans of all time? That's bizarre! I know you well as a Canadian super-patriot, which is fine, since I'm sure that you must be Canadian. Still, no need to be disrespectful to Europeans. No need to have every country represented - just pick the best players.

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11-02-2012, 12:24 PM
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North America, well, let's face it (Canada) wins this.

It would be interesting but Canada's overall strength takes it.

As a side note I think Esposito should be there.

But yeah, tough series but Canada (North America wins this)
IMHO, Europe wins this in a blowout. The beautiful thing is that since this is an imaginary game that will never be played, we're both right.

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11-02-2012, 01:59 PM
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Assuming everyone is at their best, 7 game series.

North America

Lemieux Gretzky Howe
Hull Beliveau Richard
Messier Clarke Cook
Trottier Mikita Lindros
Morenz

Orr Harvey
Bourque Robinson
Potvin Chelios
Shore

Roy
Plante
Brodeur

Europe

Ovechkin Malkin Jagr
Kharlamov Forsberg Makarov
Lehtinen Fedorov Kurri
Hossa Stastny Mikhailov
Selanne

Lidstrom Vasiliev
Fetisov Kasatonov
Salming Chara
Suchy

Hasek
Tretiak
Lundqvist

North America has an edge in every area, and when it comes to defence that edge is actually quite large. Starting goaltender might be a slight edge for Europe, but basically it's equal.
The European team simply isn't good enough to win on talent alone. Their best chance is to win through superior teamwork and chemistry, so you'd probably be better off by trying to keep linemates together as much as possible:

Krutov-Larionov-Makarov
Kharlamov-Petrov-Mikhailov
Ovechkin-Fedorov-Jagr
Tikkanen-Forsberg-Kurri
Selanne

Your defence and goaltending looks pretty good.

Match the Green Unit against Gretzky's line. No one's going to be able to shut down Gretzky, so the only practical defence against them is a good offence. Krutov in particular should play physical to try and wear down the likes of Lemieux.

Special teams are key. Score some PPGs, and kill penalties aggressively and try to score a few SHGs.

If all else fails (which will be quite often), there's Hasek.

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11-02-2012, 07:12 PM
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Lehtinen, Kurri, Hossa, Chara, Suchy ... all among the greatest Europeans of all time? That's bizarre! I know you well as a Canadian super-patriot, which is fine, since I'm sure that you must be Canadian. Still, no need to be disrespectful to Europeans. No need to have every country represented - just pick the best players.
First off, thank you for recognizing me well as a Canadian super-patriot. Anyway, as you may have noticed I was not going for the absolute best players but instead the right players. You'll notice that the North American team is not composed of all of the most talented players as well. I actually regret not making room for one more defensively responsible forward on the team.

Lehtinen is not as good as numerous European wingers, but he is one of the greatest defensive wingers in hockey history and this team will need him on the penalty kill. Kurri actually is one of the greatest European wingers, so he makes the team completely on merit. His skillset is also very valuable to this team. Hossa is in to provide some grit and two way play, which is missing from quite a few of the best European wingers. He has no weaknesses and is valuable in any role. I also strongly considered Krutov here, but I am skeptical that he would be as versatile. Suchy and Chara make this team on merit as well. Europe isn't overly deep when it comes to defencemen, and in the case of Chara it's beneficial to have a defender other than Vasiliev who has tremendous strength.

I am curious to see your respective teams though, so if you have some time please take a shot.

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11-03-2012, 07:51 AM
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Oh Yak.......................you and your imaginary group of sweet skaters.


We should have been on a lake somewhere to settle this.

You would be on the losing end and I would be on the winning end.

No doubt I would be blown away with some Russian tricks, but in the end I would stick to the basics and depart with sweet victory.

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11-04-2012, 10:57 AM
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Oh Yak.......................you and your imaginary group of sweet skaters.


We should have been on a lake somewhere to settle this.

You would be on the losing end and I would be on the winning end.

No doubt I would be blown away with some Russian tricks, but in the end I would stick to the basics and depart with sweet victory.
I can easily envision the Canadian team winning, with the collection of truly great players that they would have on their roster. The number of decades in which Canada has played top level hockey exceeds what Europe has managed in the last four. I was just really talking about the fact that it is an imaginary exercise, so it can be whatever you want it to be.

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Aha................good guy.

See you at the WJC shortly.




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I can easily envision the Canadian team winning, with the collection of truly great players that they would have on their roster. The number of decades in which Canada has played top level hockey exceeds what Europe has managed in the last four. I was just really talking about the fact that it is an imaginary exercise, so it can be whatever you want it to be.

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Aha................good guy.

See you at the WJC shortly.
Are you going to make the trip?

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Unfortunately that is not possible at this time.

It will be strictly t.v viewing.

Your boys are putting a hammering on the Q guys tonight, hopefully the OHL players will put up a better effort but it isn't going to be easy, that's a real good Russian team they've sent over here this year..

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