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11-04-2012, 10:09 PM
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We haven't drafted a dman in the first round since 2005... what gives?

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11-04-2012, 10:18 PM
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Our insane depth.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev

There is likely one spot available in the next several years considering our D core is relatively young.

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11-04-2012, 10:19 PM
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We haven't drafted a dman in the first round since 2005... what gives?
Indeed. I'm hoping we get a solid dman this draft. Someone like Darnell Nurse, or if there's no season and we get lucky in a lotto, maybe one of the big names up top.

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11-04-2012, 10:23 PM
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He's a fine 3rd liner. Just get some players with size around him. I'd honestly like to see.

Sedin Sedin Jensen
Booth Kesler Burrows
Higgins Schroeder Kassian
Malhotra Lapierre Hansen
Raymond
Not sure how I feel about having Schroeder as a 3C either. We want to be tougher to play against in our bottom 6, yet we place Jordan Schroeder there? Unless Schroeder can beat out Kesler for the 2C role, or become a winger, I see Schroeder more as trade bait as the years wear on.

I think that 3rd line would be sheltered, and Kesler's line would be more of the shutdown line while trying to provide offense as well, and quite frankly, I think that's asking quite a bit out of Kesler, even though he is capable of doing so.

I want a 3C that is gritty, has offensive ability, and can shutdown opposition as well. This way, we wouldn't have two scoring lines, a shutdown line again as it clearly didn't work when we acquired Pahlsson.

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11-04-2012, 10:26 PM
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Our insane depth.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev

There is likely one spot available in the next several years considering our D core is relatively young.
I agree our defense if deep now, so that'll give Corrado, KNauts etc plenty of time to develop even further. Thing is, we need more top-end talent on both defense, and forwards. With the Sedins aging, I'd much rather the Canucks go after top-end forwards as we really only have Jensen, Kassian, Gaunce, Schroeder who can possibly play top 6 roles.

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11-04-2012, 10:27 PM
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unless there's a steal in the 1st round in a forward, I hope we take a Defenseman in the 1st round this year.

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11-04-2012, 10:40 PM
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Always BPA.

This is a freakishly deep draft.

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11-04-2012, 10:41 PM
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unless there's a steal in the 1st round in a forward, I hope we take a Defenseman in the 1st round this year.
I want the BPA. If that's a defenseman or forward it doesn't matter.

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11-04-2012, 11:29 PM
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Here's my sort of vague-ish rankings of who I want us to draft ranked from 1 to 20 (this will pretty much be my prospect rankings so far), keep in mind I will almost definitely forget some guys:

1. Nathan MacKinnon
2. Seth Jones
3. Aleksander Barkov
4. Elias Lindholm
5. Sean Monahan
6. Rasmus Ristolainen
7. Jonathan Drouin
8. Valeri Nichushkin
9. Hunter Shinkaruk
10. Ryan Pulock
11. Curtis Lazar
12. Robert Hagg
13. Max Domi
14. Josh Morrissey
15. Anthony Mantha
16. William Carrier
17. Frederik Gauthier
18. Adam Erne
19. Andre Burakovsky
20. Jacob De la Rose

And that's my top 20 so far.

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11-04-2012, 11:38 PM
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Here's my sort of vague-ish rankings of who I want us to draft ranked from 1 to 20 (this will pretty much be my prospect rankings so far), keep in mind I will almost definitely forget some guys:

1. Nathan MacKinnon
2. Seth Jones
3. Aleksander Barkov
4. Elias Lindholm
5. Sean Monahan
6. Rasmus Ristolainen
7. Jonathan Drouin
8. Valeri Nichushkin
9. Hunter Shinkaruk
10. Ryan Pulock
11. Curtis Lazar
12. Robert Hagg
13. Max Domi
14. Josh Morrissey
15. Anthony Mantha
16. William Carrier
17. Frederik Gauthier
18. Adam Erne
19. Andre Burakovsky
20. Jacob De la Rose

And that's my top 20 so far.
I would probably go:

1. Nathan MacKinnon
2. Seth Jones
3. Aleksandr Barkov
4. Sean Monahan
5. Jonathan Drouin
6. Hunter Shinkaruk
7. Rasmus Ristolainen
8. Curtis Lazar
9. Elias Lindholm
10. Adam Erne
11. Ryan Pulock
12. Frederik Gauthier
13. Jacob de la Rose
14. Andre Burakovsky
15. Valerie Nichushkin
16. Ryan Pulock
17. Josh Morrissey
18. Max Domi
19. Hudson Fasching
20. Kerby Rychel

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11-05-2012, 12:48 AM
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What happened to Lazar? Was he not suppose to be a top 3-5 pick at one point, or am I just mistaken?

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11-05-2012, 01:44 AM
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Keep it on topic, please.

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11-05-2012, 04:49 PM
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I'm glad that this draft seems to be forward heavy. I think we need some more firepower in our prospect depth

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11-05-2012, 05:21 PM
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I'm glad that this draft seems to be forward heavy. I think we need some more firepower in our prospect depth
Agreed. Our team lacks that big superstar forward in the system. Hopefully we can trade up to grab someone like Drouin or Monahan. Doubtful but would be ideal.

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11-05-2012, 06:04 PM
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Agreed. Our team lacks that big superstar forward in the system. Hopefully we can trade up to grab someone like Drouin or Monahan. Doubtful but would be ideal.
I don't see us being able to trade that high.

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11-05-2012, 06:20 PM
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I don't see us being able to trade that high.
maybe Edler if a contract doesn't look like its going to get done

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11-05-2012, 06:23 PM
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I don't see us being able to trade that high.
Probably not, so here's to hoping there's no season and we get lucky with the draft lottery.

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11-05-2012, 06:23 PM
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maybe Edler if a contract doesn't look like its going to get done
I suppose. Edler would get us pretty high in the order if we were to dangle him.

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11-05-2012, 06:24 PM
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Our insane depth.

Hamhuis-Bieksa
Edler-Garrison
Ballard-Tanev

There is likely one spot available in the next several years considering our D core is relatively young.
There isnt an elite dman in that bunch. Edler still has time though.

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11-05-2012, 06:26 PM
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There isnt an elite dman in that bunch. Edler still has time though.
We went to the SCF with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Ehrhoff, there's no elite defensemen in that bunch either, but our depth got us where it got us. Replace Ehrhoff with Garrison this year, and it's basically the same defense. Deep, but not elite name, but can still likely work. If you're talking about the future, then we do need an elite defensemen, but the odds of us getting that through the draft and where we usually place is going to be rare.

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11-05-2012, 07:45 PM
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We went to the SCF with Hamhuis, Bieksa, Edler, Ehrhoff, there's no elite defensemen in that bunch either, but our depth got us where it got us. Replace Ehrhoff with Garrison this year, and it's basically the same defense. Deep, but not elite name, but can still likely work. If you're talking about the future, then we do need an elite defensemen, but the odds of us getting that through the draft and where we usually place is going to be rare.
The biggest problem here is that there isn't a minute munching dominant dman on both ends of the ice. Yes, that's asking a lot but having a weber type, then Edler, Bieksa Hamhuis.... It wouldn't even matter about the bottom pairing. (sopel is a Stanley Cup champion for example).

I'd say that it's a priority in this draft. BPA is a strategy no doubt, but some emphasis needs to be put on drafting D men before the later rounds.

In no way am I, or do I consider myself an expert. Just my opinion based on our last drafting errors.

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11-05-2012, 07:56 PM
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To me, the 30 minute d-man you guys are so bent on is that valuable not only because of what they contribute themselves, but also because they eat minutes that would otherwise be played by a lesser defenseman. Teams that have those franchise d-men very rarely have the same depth we currently do, making them even more valuable because the plugs sitting in their 5&6 spot aren't capable of playing respectable minutes.

We don't need a franchise d-man to be successful. The Canucks are the poster child for stability & excellence through depth. When a coach can throw the 3rd pairing out with the same confidence as when he plays the 2nd pairing, you take away the opponent's ability to capitalize on matchups. Look at the ability of the Sedins to feast on 3rd pairings after an icing call- other teams don't get that luxury against us.


BPA if you ask me. Drafting by position in the first round leads to reaches and missed opportunities. If the organization has a glaring need- drafting can only be part of the equation to fix it. Pick the player you believe will one day make the biggest impact, because who knows what the organizational need will be in 5 years when the player is NHL ready (and that's IF they're ever NHL ready).


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11-05-2012, 08:10 PM
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To me, the 30 minute d-man you guys are so bent on is that valuable not only because of what they contribute themselves, but also because they eat minutes that would otherwise be played by a lesser defenseman. Teams that have those franchise d-men very rarely have the same depth we currently do, making them even more valuable because the plugs sitting in their 5&6 spot aren't capable of playing respectable minutes.

We don't need a franchise d-man to be successful. The Canucks are the poster child for stability & excellence through depth. When a coach can throw the 3rd pairing out with the same confidence as when he plays the 2nd pairing, you take away the opponent's ability to capitalize on matchups. Look at the ability of the Sedins to feast on 3rd pairings after an icing call- other teams don't get that luxury against us.


BPA if you ask me. Drafting by position in the first round leads to reaches and missed opportunities. If the organization has a glaring need- drafting can only be part of the equation to fix it. Pick the player you believe will one day make the biggest impact, because who knows what the organizational need will be in 5 years when the player is NHL ready (and that's IF they're ever NHL ready).
Agreed, and usually you should be taking a forward in the 1st round unless an obvious faller is there. You just get more value by drafting forwards as they don't take as long as D-men to develop in general.

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11-05-2012, 09:32 PM
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The biggest problem here is that there isn't a minute munching dominant dman on both ends of the ice. Yes, that's asking a lot but having a weber type, then Edler, Bieksa Hamhuis.... It wouldn't even matter about the bottom pairing. (sopel is a Stanley Cup champion for example).

I'd say that it's a priority in this draft. BPA is a strategy no doubt, but some emphasis needs to be put on drafting D men before the later rounds.

In no way am I, or do I consider myself an expert. Just my opinion based on our last drafting errors.
I don't feel a real need to have a a minute munching defensemen because we can roll out lines because of how deep we are. I'm a person that likes the depth we have now, then having a player like Weber, and a suspect second pairing.

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11-09-2012, 01:26 PM
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I would probably go:

1. Nathan MacKinnon
2. Seth Jones
3. Aleksandr Barkov
4. Sean Monahan
5. Jonathan Drouin
6. Hunter Shinkaruk
7. Rasmus Ristolainen
8. Curtis Lazar
9. Elias Lindholm
10. Adam Erne
11. Ryan Pulock
12. Frederik Gauthier
13. Jacob de la Rose
14. Andre Burakovsky
15. Valerie Nichushkin
16. Ryan Pulock
17. Josh Morrissey
18. Max Domi
19. Hudson Fasching
20. Kerby Rychel
I wouldn't touch Rychel in the top 20.

He's a good player, but I want a better skilled player.

I'd take a player like Anthony Mantha or William Carrier.

Eve a guy like Jason Dickinson of Guelph probably projects to be a better offensive player at the next level.

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