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11-04-2012, 07:03 PM
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This is my 2nd ever proposal, so dont go ape **** on me if its bad, but here we go

To PHX:

Gagner
Hemsky

To EDM:

Hanzal


Reasoning: With loss of Whitney and some other forwards, and not having much FWD prospects in their cupboard, the Yotes could use some help up front. Gagner is a 2nd C capable of 50 pts in a season, while still having potential to be better since he just turned 23. Hemsky is capable of being close to PPG, while his health is a question mark, he was healthy majority of last season, and now has a full season of off season training + is producing well in the Czech League, so its not out of question to say the worst of his injuries are behind.

The Oilers get a C with huge size, great defensively and adds the well needed grit to forward crops. Hes still young at 25, so will fit in with the young core. His offensive production hasnt been great, but having 34pts in 64 games says he atleast capable of 40 pts, likely more with a more open system than Tippets. Losing Hemsky wont be so bad as Yakupov is a natural RW and can slot in there.


Thoughts?

AS an oiler fan I think the oilers would need to add

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11-04-2012, 07:05 PM
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Gagner for Hanzal straight up.

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11-04-2012, 07:11 PM
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Gagner for Hanzal straight up.
Hanzal is much much much more valuable to the Phoenix system than Gagner. Phoenix needs to add top 6 forwards not remove the most valuable member of their forward group.

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11-05-2012, 02:00 AM
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Gagner for Hanzal straight up.
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11-05-2012, 02:27 AM
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Everyone wants Hanzal. I'd be all over this.

Hall-Hopkins-Yakupov
MPS-Hanzal-Eberle

I'd be a very happy man.

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11-05-2012, 08:45 AM
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Everyone wants Hanzal. I'd be all over this.

Hall-Hopkins-Yakupov
MPS-Hanzal-Eberle

I'd be a very happy man.
The top 6 is off a little but I agree.

Hartikainen. Rnh. Eberle
Hall. Hanzal. Yakupov
Mps. Horcoff. Jones

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11-05-2012, 02:04 PM
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Yandle+Hanzal for Yakupov+Gagner seems fair, but would probably make more sense for PHX's advertising if it was before the draft or if Yak was switched with Ebs/Hall.
I cannot see any way in which Edmonton moves Yakupov, Hall, Eberle or RNH.

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11-05-2012, 02:17 PM
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I cannot see any way in which Edmonton moves Yakupov, Hall, Eberle or RNH.
I'd say the deal listed is one way in which they move Yakupov considering they are clear winners of it.

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11-05-2012, 03:49 PM
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I'd say the deal listed is one way in which they move Yakupov considering they are clear winners of it.
There is no way that Maloney would trade for Yak! And for the Oil to acquire Hanzal, it would take an extreme overpayment. What Hanzal brings to the Coyotes can not be measured in stats, except maybe in wins when he is in the line-up...
The Coyotes (who made it all the way to the conference finals) will not trade their top center to a team for their expendable players or prospects!

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11-05-2012, 04:01 PM
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There is no way that Maloney would trade for Yak! And for the Oil to acquire Hanzal, it would take an extreme overpayment. What Hanzal brings to the Coyotes can not be measured in stats, except maybe in wins when he is in the line-up...
The Coyotes (who made it all the way to the conference finals) will not trade their top center to a team for their expendable players or prospects!
Everything about this post is dumb. A gm that wouldn't want Nail Yakupov? Yak is an expendable prospect? Apparently Phoenix is so good they don't need to score goals.

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11-05-2012, 07:30 PM
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that hanzal is so hot right now

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11-05-2012, 07:37 PM
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I love Hanzal and he's basically not available IMO. But I think you are undervaluing Hemsky and Gagner. I'm not sure what they are worth but I'm pretty sure its more than Hanzal by himself. That said I'm glad you aren't undervaluing him which seems pretty common


Also, maybe it's just me but I think this trade would actually make both teams worse. Without Hanzal, Phoenix would be in deep trouble in the Pacific. Oilers aren't getting good value and lose depth.
when did Hemsky shed his soft and always injured tag? When did Gagner become anything but a tweener?

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11-05-2012, 09:41 PM
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There is no way that Maloney would trade for Yak! And for the Oil to acquire Hanzal, it would take an extreme overpayment. What Hanzal brings to the Coyotes can not be measured in stats, except maybe in wins when he is in the line-up...
The Coyotes (who made it all the way to the conference finals) will not trade their top center to a team for their expendable players or prospects!
I agree with you, my post was in response to someone who said Yak would not be moved.

I said in a scenario where they are ripping off Pho he would be.

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11-05-2012, 09:41 PM
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Everything about this post is dumb. A gm that wouldn't want Nail Yakupov? Yak is an expendable prospect? Apparently Phoenix is so good they don't need to score goals.
How many goals has Yakupov scored in the NHL again? I forgot.

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11-05-2012, 10:03 PM
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How many goals has Yakupov scored in the NHL again? I forgot.
GOOD POINT! Here on Hockey's Future forums, it should be considered ridiculous to project the future capabilities of young prospects. RIDICULOUS!

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11-05-2012, 10:13 PM
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How many goals has Yakupov scored in the NHL again? I forgot.
Let's change the question - you wouldn't trade Yandle for the first overall pick?

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11-05-2012, 10:38 PM
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Let's change the question - you wouldn't trade Yandle for the first overall pick?
IIRC, Phoenix's top five for the last draft was...

1. Galchenyuk 2. Forsberg 3. Murray 4. Yakupov 5. Reinhart

...so no. Phoenix probably would not trade Yandle for Yakupov.

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11-05-2012, 10:52 PM
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EDM is overpaying, and I'm not entirely sure PHX does this due to what Hanzal's job is. He is needed to play against the best players on the opposing team and our system is predicated around having someone like him.

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I could see the Oilers showing interest in Yandle, but it would end in about 5 minutes if Coyotes fans are accurate in the asking price.

Yakupov is not going to be dealt, so lets just stop right there. I can understand Phoenix not wanting to give him away for cheap, so seems like he won't be moved going forward.

Also, arguing that a 1st overall pick that's a pure goal scorer has no NHL goals, really? Well, I suppose you could argue to the unproven angle, but history wouldn't be on your side. Not to mention if you take 5 minutes to watch the kid play its pretty clear the guy is going to be a player.

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11-06-2012, 01:19 AM
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when did Hemsky shed his soft and always injured tag? When did Gagner become anything but a tweener?
I may very well be over valuing them, but I don't think Hanzal has all that much value league wide either. He's clearly more valuable in Phoenix than anywhere else. I try to look beyond "tags". From a Phoenix POV I look at Hemsky and see a guy who even if only playing somewhere between 40 and 60 games brings more offensive skill to the table than all but two guys on the current roster. I'd take 60 games of Hemsky and a fill in like Chipchura the rest of the time over just purely lacking skill at all.

I mean if Gagner is a tweener then what is Hanzal by that logic?. Hanzal has never once outscored Gagner and while he brings a much higher level of defense and size, he also has the injury bug to some extent. 40-50 point centers are not tweeners at any rate.

So I think its more likely people are undervaluing Gagner lately. Hemsky is sort of the wild card, his value is a complete crapshoot and might even be negative. Probably depends on the team though, I think for Phoenix he would hold some value due to our serious lack of skill at forward.

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There is no way the yotes accept this. People really don't understand the value that player holds for the phoenix franchise.

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11-06-2012, 01:18 PM
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There is no way the yotes accept this. People really don't understand the value that player holds for the phoenix franchise.
Please refer to the informed opinion directly above your post. This is a generous offer. Even if Phoenix declined, it's in the ballpark despite your hyperbole.

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Value works but Tippett would have Hemsky and Gagner torn apart.

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11-06-2012, 02:15 PM
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GOOD POINT! Here on Hockey's Future forums, it should be considered ridiculous to project the future capabilities of young prospects. RIDICULOUS!
Your sarcasm is neither funny nor clever seeing as he is absolutely right. Let's trade an established number 1 defenseman for someone who is hyped, but hasn't done jack**** in the NHL. Doesn't make sense.

Despite what you may think, busts DO happen from time to time. I'm not saying he will be a bust, i actually think he'll turn out better than Hall. With that said, still doesn't change the fact that he is still unproven and a trade like that is too big of a risk. Would you trade Eberle for Gormley? Probably not.

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