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11-06-2012, 06:35 PM
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No way he is going anywhere.

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11-06-2012, 06:54 PM
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I remember seeing a Tavares for Alex Pietrangelo proposal and people generally found the value was there but gave a respectable no from both sides.

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11-06-2012, 06:59 PM
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I remember seeing a Tavares for Alex Pietrangelo proposal and people generally found the value was there but gave a respectable no from both sides.
I just wonder, if we switch them and Tavares was drafted by St-louis and Pietrangelo by NYI.

Would it still be a no from both side?

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11-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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Since NYI is rebuilding around Tavares, of course you're not going to get a more suitable player with high balance of current skill, potential, and youth.

But if he asked for a trade, there are plenty of players you'd trade him straight up for over trades which get you quantity and less quality. Not even mentioning slightly older players, Giroux, Stamkos, Karlsson, P. Kane, Toews, Pietrangelo, Doughty all would be sufficient to get Tavares.

Every team has players who have more value on their own team. Ottawa would never give up Karlsson for Tavares from our POV, but it doesn't make him more valuable than Tavares.
I believe I made it understood that this was also my feeling.

I was not saying Tavares was better or more valuable than any single player, but to NYI he is pretty much pricless. ie like Karlsson is to the SENS and Stammer for TBL.

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11-06-2012, 07:48 PM
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So you didn't read the OP. Realistically no one would give up Stamkos or Malkin for a downgrade(which it would be right now). No team has 22 year old superstars they'd be willing to trade in a lateral move. That is the offer I would make from a Canucks POV, if someone's willing to beat it, then they're welcome to.
I pointed out in my post, that TB had no reason to flip the more productive Stamkos.

2-3 lesser pieces, won't pry 22 yr old Tavares away.

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11-06-2012, 07:51 PM
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This is exactly right. These value threads of players that will never be currently moved are exercises in futility.
this is not an excercise in Futility, i was curious to see what other non isles fans thought his value was and what they were willing to give up for him.

I thought it was understood in the op that I knew Tavares was not going anywhere nor did I want him too.

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Would you really do that?
You really believe the isles, building around youth, would trade 22 yr old Tavares for the 33 yr old Sedins?

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11-06-2012, 07:53 PM
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I pointed out in my post, that TB had no reason to flip the more productive Stamkos.

2-3 lesser pieces, won't pry 22 yr old Tavares away.
Suit yourself. I haven't seen any better offers yet, though. Which was the point of the thread, to see how much other teams would offer, not for Islanders fans to restate how he's virtuallly untouchable.

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11-06-2012, 07:58 PM
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If 22 yr old Tavares was moved, I'd want 22/23 yr old Stamkos. Yeah, I realize TB has no reason to move the more productive Stamkos. But, that's the type of return I'd want.


WHY would I want 2-3 players with less upside ? Isles have a glut of promising youngsters between their nhl club and their prospect pool.
throw in hedman and st louis and let us throw in dp and and i would be willing to do that

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Suit yourself. I haven't seen any better offers yet, though. Which was the point of the thread, to see how much other teams would offer, not for Islanders fans to restate how he's virtuallly untouchable.
this is 100% correct, but I cant get mad at my fellow Isles fans for trying to defend what they believe the "value" of him is.

My reason for this is curiosity and because while the majority agree Tavares is a top player in the league and a rising superstar, I have seen others still feeling that he is overated. so I wondered what the sentiment was at this point.

Now I might be Bias but I put Tavares rite up thier with the Best of the Best.

Thank you VKW for understanding

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11-06-2012, 08:03 PM
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tavares + dp for the oilers' young core (eberle, hall, rnh, yakupov, schultz)

but seriously tavares would never get traded for anything less than one of the most one sided trades ever

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11-06-2012, 08:04 PM
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As an Isles fan I would consider this a fair offer...

Price
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
1st

So yeah, he's not going anywhere

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11-06-2012, 08:06 PM
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As an Isles fan I would consider this a fair offer...

Price
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
1st

So yeah, he's not going anywhere
i know i have been posting absolutely ridiculous proposals in here but i don't want a single one of those players or the first rounder

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11-06-2012, 08:17 PM
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i know i have been posting absolutely ridiculous proposals in here but i don't want a single one of those players or the first rounder

wait what?

I can understand not wanting to trade JT but you dont want any of those guys listed at all??

Price
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
1st


I mean really? 2 of those guys on the list are more valueable than anyone on the islanders (except for JT of course)

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11-06-2012, 08:18 PM
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As an Isles fan I would consider this a fair offer...

Price
Galchenyuk
Beaulieu
1st

So yeah, he's not going anywhere



Hab fans agree, The Islanders can keep him.

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convert JT to LW to play with Giroux and Voracek

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I remember seeing a Tavares for Alex Pietrangelo proposal and people generally found the value was there but gave a respectable no from both sides.
He's one of very few players that would be fair value, but I still wouldn't do it. Then again I'm a huge Pietrangelo fan so I would give up the world for him. Good thing JT is worth two worlds to me.

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i know i have been posting absolutely ridiculous proposals in here but i don't want a single one of those players or the first rounder
Lol?

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11-06-2012, 09:17 PM
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Kesler, extended Edler, Lack + Jensen/1st.

That's a hefty damn price tag, not sure I would pull the trigger looking at where the nucks are, but there would be a moment of thought.

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11-06-2012, 09:20 PM
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Kesler, extended Edler, Lack + Jensen/1st.

That's a hefty damn price tag, not sure I would pull the trigger looking at where the nucks are, but there would be a moment of thought.
I was willing to do Schneider instead of Lack + Jensen. The Islanders have some decent goaltending prospects, and Lack wouldn't be a huge upgrade, while Schneider would. Playing with Nabokov as a veteran backup would be ideal for him as well.

Heck, if it would get a deal done, Kesler, Edler, Schneider for Tavares and RDP.

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11-06-2012, 09:24 PM
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i know i have been posting absolutely ridiculous proposals in here but i don't want a single one of those players or the first rounder
No problem, i understand your point of view, Tavares is gold.

What if i add Subban and Collberg and i take Dipietro contract ?

To NYI
Price
Subban
Beaulieu
Galchenyuk
1st
Collberg

To Montreal:

Tavares
DiPietro

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