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11-06-2012, 09:13 PM
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Finn was picked where he should have been. 4 teams even passed on him twice.

Let's not get too excited about 20 games after being drafted.

Give it a couple years and see where we're at.

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when i say steal i mean by how much he fell, i thought it was a typo when i first saw it, like most people have said he was ranked in the top 20 on most lists.
If that's the case, Mikhail Stefanovich was the steal of the 08 draft...ranked as high as 17 I believe, we got him at 98! A steal isn't something you determine 4 months down the line. You'll get the rare O'Reilly who plays right out of the draft from the 2nd round, and obviously know right away, but for most prospects, it takes a couple years at least before you know if they're a steal or not.

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11-06-2012, 10:13 PM
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Finn was picked where he should have been. 4 teams even passed on him twice.

Let's not get too excited about 20 games after being drafted.

Give it a couple years and see where we're at.
Not according to most scouts. He was never expected to go into the second round.

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11-06-2012, 10:23 PM
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Finn was picked where he should have been. 4 teams even passed on him twice.

Let's not get too excited about 20 games after being drafted.

Give it a couple years and see where we're at.
Are u serious, if that's your argument for him being late at #35, then

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11-06-2012, 11:55 PM
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A "steal" would imply something out of nothing..

Who's a steal?
Datysuk
Zette
Weber
Giroux
Quick
Rinne

Matt Finn being a steal is a huge statement to make. We got something better than we expected. The 35th pick is a high pick.

As of now, I think grigo has the potential to make every team that passed on him look like a fool. Cam fowler dropped a few spots and looks to be a stud d-men if he ever develops. Tyler Seguin could be the "steal" of his draft year considering EDM chose Hall (injury ridden) over him. Eberle at pick #22. Karlsson @15.

I'm not sure if Matt Finn has that big of an upside but if he becomes a 1st-pairing D that wins us a cup.. now that's a steal. Way too early to say anything.
He could be turn out to be Scott Neds or a bust that never makes it to the nhl after a knee injury.


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11-07-2012, 12:16 AM
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I'm probably his biggest fan and think he'll make the NHL but it's way too early to call him a steal of the draft. Lots of goof players picked late 1st and early 2nd.

Collberg by the Habs, Dansk by the Jackets, Finn are a few that could surprise but still too early to say.
There's also a Habs 3rd-round pick, Tim Bozon (son of Philippe Bozon, the first Frenchman to play in the NHL), who has 14 goals and 17 assists in 20 games with the Kamloops Blazers.

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11-07-2012, 12:21 AM
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Finn was picked where he should have been. 4 teams even passed on him twice.

Let's not get too excited about 20 games after being drafted.

Give it a couple years and see where we're at.
Huh? he was mocked to go in the first, seemed like a first round lock, actually.

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11-07-2012, 12:27 AM
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How many second round picks end up making it to their teams 2nd forward line or the 2nd dmen pairing.

If Finn is a staple in our top 4 in the next couple of years, I'd say that'd be a very successful 2nd round pick.
Really?

A few names since 2000: Nick Schultz, Jarrett Stoll, Paul Martin, Derek Roy, Fedor Tyutin, Mike Cammalleri, Jason Pomminville, Duncan Keith, Patrice Bergeron, Matt Carle, Shea Weber, David Backes.

And that's from 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003.

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11-07-2012, 12:44 AM
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Finn was picked where he should have been. 4 teams even passed on him twice.

Let's not get too excited about 20 games after being drafted.

Give it a couple years and see where we're at.
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Really?

A few names since 2000: Nick Schultz, Jarrett Stoll, Paul Martin, Derek Roy, Fedor Tyutin, Mike Cammalleri, Jason Pomminville, Duncan Keith, Patrice Bergeron, Matt Carle, Shea Weber, David Backes.

And that's from 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003.
Wow!

12 out of 120 picks!!

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11-07-2012, 02:17 AM
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If we passed on Finn and another team picked him later on, we would not be saying he's the steal of the draft...or even close to being it.

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If we passed on Finn and another team picked him later on, we would not be saying he's the steal of the draft...or even close to being it.
I hope not

That's why each team has their own board!

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^^ Nice profile. haha

I agree with FINN. Patience, patience.

Too early to tell but he does look good and he's a good Ontario boy. Cherry must be proud.

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Not according to most scouts. He was never expected to go into the second round.
What scouts would they be?

I'm talking NHL teams who can actually made that decision, not some pretend scouts who have no ability to actually chose a player.

NHL teams with a stable of scouts decide who gets chosen.

That is the reality not some web site of non NHL wannabees.

He was chosen where he was chosen and that was decided by the people who actually had the ability to make that choice. Everything else is pretend.

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What scouts would they be?

I'm talking NHL teams who can actually made that decision, not some pretend scouts who have no ability to actually chose a player.

NHL teams with a stable of scouts decide who gets chosen.

That is the reality not some web site of non NHL wannabees.

He was chosen where he was chosen and that was decided by the people who actually had the ability to make that choice. Everything else is pretend.



so are u saying jankowski was expected to go where he was, Finn was expected to go in the top 20, however he fell, we should be happy about that

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so are u saying jankowski was expected to go where he was, Finn was expected to go in the top 20, however he fell, we should be happy about that
I'm saying Finn was not chosen in the first round because teams had players they ranked ahead of him.

BPA

Leafs believe he was the BPA when they picked, but other teams did not have him ranked BPA when they picked.

He was considered BPA when the Leafs picked.

Pretty simple that's what happened.

Isn't it?

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I'm saying Finn was not chosen in the first round because teams had players they ranked ahead of him.

BPA

Leafs believe he was the BPA when they picked, but other teams did not have him ranked BPA when they picked.

He was considered BPA when the Leafs picked.

Pretty simple that's what happened.

Isn't it?



makes sense, mis interpreted your comment, my bad

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I'm saying Finn was not chosen in the first round because teams had players they ranked ahead of him.

BPA

Leafs believe he was the BPA when they picked, but other teams did not have him ranked BPA when they picked.

He was considered BPA when the Leafs picked.

Pretty simple that's what happened.

Isn't it?
Except different teams have different rankings of BPA. You could have 15 teams that have Finn ranked in the 20s, and that doesn't mean they had a chance to pick him there.

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I'm saying Finn was not chosen in the first round because teams had players they ranked ahead of him.

BPA

Leafs believe he was the BPA when they picked, but other teams did not have him ranked BPA when they picked.

He was considered BPA when the Leafs picked.

Pretty simple that's what happened.

Isn't it?
I'm curious on how stating the obvious is insightful.

Are the LA Kings the best team in the NHL because they won the Stanley Cup?

Maybe, just maybe the conversation requires a tad more depth than that?

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I'm curious on how stating the obvious is insightful.

Are the LA Kings the best team in the NHL because they won the Stanley Cup?

Maybe, just maybe the conversation requires a tad more depth than that?
It seems we can debate the known.

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Wow!

12 out of 120 picks!!
The man was wondering, I gave him an answer.

And by the way, it's out of 12 out of 139.

You forgot about the bonus picks.

No need to be paranoid.

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If Finn turns out, then we can say he was a steal at 35. If he doesn't, then it was a smart pick at the time (considering where he was ranked), but the draft is usually a dice-roll.

Right now, I'm extremely impressed with his overall game and it seems like he has great potential, but it hasn't even been half a season since we drafted him, so who knows.

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The man was wondering, I gave him an answer.

And by the way, it's out of 12 out of 139.

You forgot about the bonus picks.

No need to be paranoid.
Even better!!

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To sumarise what Scott walker (finn's coach) said on hockey central.

"He is amazing. He does what ever we want. He says hes more defensive, but hes an all around player. I tell the scouts that he is amazing. He plays tired, he plays sick. I tell them that when he has an off night to blame me. I play him to much, every situation i want him out there. When hes fresh he is fantastic. "

Sounds good!!

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