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11-07-2012, 02:29 PM
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yeah, i get that
but that is also from our anti-Cgy/TO biased position
i think he would make our blueline quite formidable ...he does play the right side
also he's paid a LOT.
i would do luongo straight up, but dont think id add ...

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http://www.thehockeynews.com/article...ted-NHLer.html
So you think by trading the 4th and 9th most overrated players we can move up to first?

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11-07-2012, 02:32 PM
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I strongly disagree.
I should clarify - the media pressure/scrutiny/criticism has been handled with a stiff upper lip. Like most players, he shows emotion when winning or losing a big game.

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How do we, as fans, know that? Perhaps Kesler is of the same ilk? There are rumors about his persona as well. Yet, Kesler is one of the Canucks most valuable players.
I've got a close friend that played with Phaneuf, he's a dick. You don't have to take my word for it, he has that reputation.

Kesler is of the same ilk but he's got history and friendships on this team. He doesn't have the same history of poor relationships with his teammates that Phaneuf has.

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Like most players, he shows emotion when winning or losing a big game.
I'm not trying to take you to task here, I'm genuinely curious, can you think of another starting goalie that has cried after a loss like that?

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I'll bite on that hook.

There is only one player on the current Leafs' roster that would help the Canucks win the cup now. He's not one of the ones you listed. To move Schneider would require that player coming back in return. Do you know who that player is?
Ah, but there is a method to my madness. If we could pry a top end prospect like Gardiner or Rielly from Toronto. We could flip them to another team, who can address our needs. One such example would be Bobby Ryan or one of Anaheim's big two if they cannot resign both. Hell, perhaps Edmonton would be enticed to move Yakupov. Yes, we would have to add but, there will be many more teams willing to deal for a high ceiling defenseman in comparison to a goaltender.

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lol on Luongo not being able to handle the pressure in Toronto. Jeebus they still revere Belfour in TO - they don't run their good goalies out of town.
I've been saying this for a while. IF Luongo were able to take us to the playoffs...he's an instant God.

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I'm not trying to take you to task here, I'm genuinely curious, can you think of another starting goalie that has cried after a loss like that?
Off the top of my head, no, I can't. I seem to recall an instance where Tom Barrasso flipped out and started swearing at reporters after a big loss...not really the same thing, but similar ballpark?

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I've been saying this for a while. IF Luongo were able to take us to the playoffs...he's an instant God.
whats your though around something around Luongo for Phaneuf?
not enough? hurts the D too much regardless of value?

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whats your though around something around Luongo for Phaneuf?
not enough? hurts the D too much regardless of value?
Value aside, with the trading of Schenn we are left with:

Phaneuf/Gunner
Liles/Gardiner
Komi/Franson (unsigned)/Holzer (possible rookie callup)

So i'd say there isn't a way we can deal our captain/#1D.

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Who is Clark MacArthur? Why would you think he is worth Luongo?
Why are we still going on with Toronto rumours?The smartest thing to do is keep Luongo untill a few more teams are added to those that need a goaltender.If there is any hockey this year,we could have (for example)Washinton,Chicago,Ottawa that maybe are in need of help in net.We could end up in a bidding war for Luongo.That could be way better then the Toronto and Edmonton stuff that keeps comming up.And i do not beleive that Luongo would be a cancer in the dressing room as long as he is with the Canucks.

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Value aside, with the trading of Schenn we are left with:

Phaneuf/Gunner
Liles/Gardiner
Komi/Franson (unsigned)/Holzer (possible rookie callup)

So i'd say there isn't a way we can deal our captain/#1D.
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Just to go off my previous post. Something along the lines of:



Johan Franzen
Justin Abdelkader
James Reimer/Cory Franson/Salary dump



Cory Schneider
Non-core player (Tanev, Ballard, Raymond) or a pick from us



Jake Gardiner
Toronto's second


Not necessarily set but the centerpieces are established. Anaheim is another target, among others. Basically, this is my "out of the box" idea.


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11-07-2012, 03:11 PM
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Just to go off my previous post. Something along the lines of:



Johan Franzen
Justin Abdelkader
James Reimer/Cory Franson/Salary dump



Cory Schneider
Non-core player (Tanev, Ballard, Raymond) or a pick from us



Jake Gardiner
Toronto's second


Not necessarily set but the centerpieces are established. Anaheim is another target, among others. Basically, this is my "out of the box" idea.
If we're trading Schneider, it should be for a young stud. This trade puts us in such Cup-or-bust mode it hurts.

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11-07-2012, 03:13 PM
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similar ballpark?
I don't think so. Lu tends to ride the lows imo, less than ideal for a goaltender. I'd rather see him flip out after a loss than cry.

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Detroit... interesting. I wonder if the change in dynamic on their blue line might have them rethinking the makeup of their team? Mystery team maybe?

I'd trade Lu for Franzen, I'm sure Detroit could trade Howard for a good winger.

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If we're trading Schneider, it should be for a young stud. This trade puts us in such Cup-or-bust mode it hurts.
yeah, the mule is great, but a lot of risk
he's Luo's age, with a near $4M cap hit til he's 40, and has never played a full season since his first.
his playoff #s are pretty damn good though.
I'd consider it for Luongo, without the throwin pick from us... admittedly makes it less appealling for them


but if it's the orig deal, would just as soon take the deal straight from TO (Gardiner, 2nd)


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If we're trading Schneider, it should be for a young stud. This trade puts us in such Cup-or-bust mode it hurts.
Oh, I agree. Hence my mention of Anaheim earlier. This was more trying to involve a different team. Ideally, we nab Ryan or Perry in the three way and call it done.

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yeah, the mule is great, but a lot of risk
he's Luo's age, with a near $4M cap hit til he's 40, and has never played a full season since his first.
his playoff #s are pretty damn good though.
I'd consider it for Luongo, without the throwin pick from us... admittedly makes it less appealling for them


but if it's the orig deal, would just as soon take the deal straight from TO (Gardiner, 2nd)
Personally, I would chase one of Anaheim's big three myself but Detroit is another team with some apply. I do see them possibly adding but keeping Gardiner is somewhat unnecessary. At best, he plays on the third pairing and we still lack upfront. Although, I certainly wouldn't say no to just the Toronto deal.

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Schneider, Schroeder for JVR, 1st is something I'd be willing to do.

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Schneider, Schroeder for JVR, 1st is something I'd be willing to do.
Interesting......

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Schneider, Schroeder for JVR, 1st is something I'd be willing to do.
Only reason I never bring up JVR is I doubt Burke wants to move him. If we can do this, I'm all for it. Put whatever protection you want on that first.

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Schneider, Schroeder for JVR, 1st is something I'd be willing to do.
Well, I wouldn't. If we're trading both Schneider and Schroeder, I'd want Gardiner+1st++

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yeah, the mule is great, but a lot of risk
he's Luo's age, with a near $4M cap hit til he's 40, and has never played a full season since his first.
his playoff #s are pretty damn good though.
Because we have some good young winger in Kassian and Jensen in the pipeline I think we could make that work.

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Well, I wouldn't. If we're trading both Schneider and Schroeder, I'd want Gardiner+1st++
Listen Y2K....oh,wait.

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Just to go off my previous post. Something along the lines of:



Johan Franzen
Justin Abdelkader
James Reimer/Cory Franson/Salary dump



Cory Schneider
Non-core player (Tanev, Ballard, Raymond) or a pick from us



Jake Gardiner
Toronto's second


Not necessarily set but the centerpieces are established. Anaheim is another target, among others. Basically, this is my "out of the box" idea.
Come on. If Schneider goes to the Leafs I'd expect Kessel back for one. And if it's detroit giving up a player try Zetterberg

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Schneider, Schroeder for JVR, 1st is something I'd be willing to do.
I wouldn't. JVR isn't worth nearly as much as Schneider. Sub Schneider for Luongo and I do it.

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